Pile O' Shame - The Bear and Badger

JonB

monkey wrote:

Anyone with Mark of the Ninja on their list, it's probably 6-7 hours in length and is really good.

Yes.

Diluted Dante

I got maybe 10 mins into HL2.

I'm thinking Bodycount will be the first I attack. Quite short and I won't care about doing everything.

Moot_Geeza

I forgot to add that I can't be arsed to finish Mass Effect 3, which I borrowed over a year ago, and I've also got Call of Juarez: Gunslinger to play.

Diluted Dante

Mass Effect 3 has the one of the finest endings of any game. It even comes close to State of Decay.

TheDJR

I assume that's sarcasm despite not playing State of Decay. I don't think my list is too bad, I've got...

Assassins Creed Brotherhood
Revengeance
Uncharted 3
Bastion
Braid
Mark of the Ninja
Monster Hunter 3
Fire Emblem Awakening
Mario Galaxy
Mario Galaxy 2
Xenosometing
Skyward Sword
Lone Survivor (sorry!)

Oh, shit, erm, also, Demons Souls.....

JonB

Braid, Bastion and Mark of the Ninja are 3 of the finest XBLA games there are, and all fully finishable in not too much time. I'd play them before any of the others.

(When I see the name Mark of the Ninja now I can't help reading it as if it's about a Ninja called Mark. The sequel will be called Jeff of the Samurai.)

Moot_Geeza

I'd never enjoyed a game like Bastion, and doubt I ever will again, but Bastion was so fantastic I finished it in two sittings. Take away the story/character interaction and TLoU isn't a great game. Take away the charm/voiceover and the same could be said of Bastion (and a great number of other games worth playing, that perhaps aren't outstanding in terms of mechanics - Limbo springs to mind, the actual puzzles in Stacking are mostly unremarkable and so on).

hylian_elf

Skip cutscenes, don't bother with codec conversations, and Revengeance ends up being really short. But why would someone play a Metal Gear game wtoit cutscenes and crazy codec chats, eh?

retroking1981

Moot_Geeza wrote:

I'd never enjoyed a game like Bastion, and doubt I ever will again, but Bastion was so fantastic I finished it in two sittings. Take away the story/character interaction and TLoU isn't a great game. Take away the charm/voiceover and the same could be said of Bastion (and a great number of other games worth playing, that perhaps aren't outstanding in terms of mechanics - Limbo springs to mind, the actual puzzles in Stacking are mostly unremarkable and so on).

This is the exact sort of statement that blows my mind regarding this game and many others for that matter.

So are you saying its not a good game? Not fun?

I don't get it when people gloss of average gameplay with graphics, story or anything else. Games are about gameplay, that should be by far the number 1 aspect of judging a game.

I'm not saying good stories etc are not welcome in games but they should only make a great game better not an average game great.

Video games are not movies, I think its sad that the lines are being blured.

The experience of Space Invaders or Multiplayer Street Fighter cannot be recreated in a book or in the cinema.

Raiziel

Not so much a pile o shame as a wall o shame. A good 80% of this lot I haven't quite got around to playing...yet.

LtPidgeon

Raiziel wrote:

Not so much a pile o shame as a wall o shame. A good 80% of this lot I haven't quite got around to playing...yet.

That is some nice sturdy shelving you have there!

hylian_elf

retroking1981 wrote:

I don't get it when people gloss of average gameplay with graphics, story or anything else. Games are about gameplay, that should be by far the number 1 aspect of judging a game.

No. A game doesn't have to be just/mostly about gameplay and gameplay doesn't necessarily have to be the number 1 aspect. Games shouldn't be so limited in their scope. If so, then we need a separate term for 'games' like Journey, Dear Esther, Stanley Parable, Gone Home etc. which are all great experiences.

hylian_elf

@Raiziel: for shame! Love the room though.

retroking1981

hylian_elf wrote:

retroking1981 wrote:

I don't get it when people gloss of average gameplay with graphics, story or anything else. Games are about gameplay, that should be by far the number 1 aspect of judging a game.

No. A game doesn't have to be just/mostly about gameplay and gameplay doesn't necessarily have to be the number 1 aspect. Games shouldn't be so limited in their scope. If so, then we need a separate term for 'games' like Journey, Dear Esther, Stanley Parable, Gone Home etc. which are all great experiences.

I can't see that at all. moot said Take away the story/character interaction and TLoU isn't a great game

Can he or yourself elaborate on the quality of that games gameplay because from that statement it doesn't sound good.

Diluted Dante

Oh, he's completely wrong, if that helps.

hylian_elf

Oh right. Not sure why it matters too much as all someone needs to know is "the game is amazing and is running away with B&B GOTY". Anyway...

He is wrong indeed. Game played fine to me. Won't win awards for its 'gameplay', but I rather enjoyed moments of staking the cordyceps and taking them out one by one. When I came across clusters occasionally I would set traps using bombs and stuff and lure them, that kind of thing. I also thought the way the guns handled was pretty good.

retroking1981

I do own the game and will play it but I find it alarming that as gamers we're accepting a game with average (judging from moots comment) gameplay as our GOTY.

That said I actually like the sound of it on the back of what you just said elf.

Maybe I've just taken moots words the wrong way or maybe he's not made himself clear enough but either way it's not the first time I've heard that about this game.

Like always I will ultimately judge for myself.

I do stand by my original point though...

retroking1981 wrote:

Video games are not movies, I think its sad that the lines are being blured.

The experience of Space Invaders or Multiplayer Street Fighter cannot be recreated in a book or in the cinema.

hylian_elf

"Software-on-a-games-console of the year" then. I note your point, but I just look at it differently and cannot agree. So we agree to disagree then, yeah?

I can write lots and lots about games and movies and blurring lines and all that jazz, but I'm not one to write much. I just don't think it has to be one or the other, games can successfully mix the two and I think Last of Us is the bestest one to do that.

I mean. The gameplay in Half Life 2 wasn't exactly amazing, but see how much praise that gets! The shooting is rubbish compared to Halo. (I love them both almost equally.)

JonB

Yeah but Half-Life 2 wasn't very good.

Yossarian

Half Life 2 was piss-poor.

I generally agree with the 'games are about the gameplay' argument. Having said that, I loved The Walking Dead, and that was as much down to the story as the gameplay, although the two slotted together so well that it's kind of hard to know where one ends and the other begins.

hylian_elf

Yossarian wrote:

...I loved The Walking Dead, and that was as much down to the story as the gameplay...

The Walking Dead didn't have any gameplay, though. There were no mechanics to the game. (That is an exaggeration. There was minimal gameplay and mechanics.)

Yossarian

The gameplay was in the decisions you made.

hylian_elf

In other news, I might keep the following from my Piles and play them (at some point):

Eternal Sonata
El Shaddai

The following don't seem to be worth anything and I may chuck into the FTAGH thread:

Far Cry 2
Deus Ex HR
Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword
Contact
Sleeping Dogs (didn't check value, this belongs to Daviedigi so I need to return to him or chuck into the thread)

No idea what the following are worth:

Yakuza 3 promo copy
Gyakuten Saiban 3 (Ace Attorney 3 Jap version)

hylian_elf

Yossarian wrote:

The gameplay was in the decisions you made.

.....

Yossarian

Well now, I'd never thought of that. Good point, well made Elf.

Diluted Dante

retroking1981 wrote:

I do own the game and will play it but I find it alarming that as gamers we're accepting a game with average (judging from moots comment) gameplay as our GOTY.

Except the gameplay isn't average. Don't judge it from Moot's comments. Judge it from mine as well. The Last of Us is absolutely the game of the year, and that includes the gameplay.

b0r1s

Isn't it like films. Sometimes you want a nice well acted drama and sometimes you just want some people killing each other. Both films can be considered good, just in different ways.

Not all games have to have amazing gameplay to be amazing.

Yossarian

I still want a film to be a good film whatever the genre or subject matter.

monkey

The story and setting of the Last of Us are what has put me off playing it. Fuck that post apocalyptic, ultra-serious, grim stuff. Games are so heavy handed and ham fisted at doing serious drama. Give me something fun, not heavy ham fists.

krs

Rules, rules, rules.

Games can be anything they like. Restrictions won't benefit anyone.

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