Aus$423 Mil security contracts to companies with offshore island addresses to guard the camps on manus and Nauru.

Gov doing tricks to try and keep them out of foi rules. Classy.

Think I posted part of this via twitter, but this does a good job of helping make Twitter threads more easily readable. Kon K laying the smack down on BS our Gov is pedalling about #medivac bill.

https://threader.app/thread/1097311893780258817

I do.

I don't get how the UK are stripping her of her citizenship unless she is dual nationality which I don't think she is?

By which I mean she should totes be brought back here and put through the justice system, she's our trashpile really, why are we dumping her on another country for them to sort out? (Even though we can't because you can't make people citizens of no country, sop idk what the fuck this is other than a convenient distraction from Brekko for Mayo, the fucking cunto)

There was a decent legal blog about her case which I read yesterday which I can’t for the life of me track down now, but the gist of it was that it is probably illegal under international law to make her stateless as this would be doing. It wasn’t quite as good as the video floating around Twitter yesterday from the British Syrian teen pouring scorn on her, but pretty good anyway.

But yeah, I’m generally of the opinion that she’s our mess and we should probably deal with her.

As gonz has said, she was very young, and has obviously suffered while she's been over there, but she has absolutely no remorse, compassion or empathy for the victims of ISIS. She also still supports the ISIS ideology, she only wants to come back because its a bit shit over there now and she realises the NHS is probably quite a good thing, and her kid might benifit from that.

The reason for the prohibition on statelessness, much like the policy underlying pretty much all of international refugee laws, is avoiding post war injustice. The idea is that the UK could not make begun stateless, making her a citizen of nowhere.

But no German Jews went off to fight in the middle East before WW2. This one CHOSE to abandon her country and to join in making a new, murderous, barbarous one. She gave comfort to a man who got up every day to take part in organised genocide. She was hoping to raise more soldiers of God.

Fuck her

tigerswiftly wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

She should be brought back to the UK, dealt with by the justice system and given the help she needs.

I agree with this. I agree that she was a child when she went and that should be taken into account.

However, having just watched an interview with her, the lack of remorse is saddening and worrying.

That's the key issue for me. I don't think there is the possibility to deradicalise her, so what do we do with her?

GooberTheHat wrote:

That's the key issue for me. I don't think there is the possibility to deradicalise her, so what do we do with her?

That's not something we can determine remotely though. She needs to be here, assessed without outside influences.

I've tried to be as considered as I possibly can be for fear of Daily Mailing it.

I've considered her age when she left and the fact she wouldn't have been able to leave even if she wanted to.

I've considered how we, as a nation should be better than ISIS and how redemption and forgiveness are important things in a modern society like ours.

I still cant see how we can take her back. Her total lack of remorse is staggering. The fact she can't even lie about it to try and get back in, she cant even pretend to be remorseful beyond how she fucked her own life up.
In turn I feel that almost proves she isn't having words put in her mouth. If ISIS still had control over her they would be more effectively using her as a double agent.

She is far more dangerous than she knows, that is the big problem. I dont think for a second she is going to come here and cause physical harm herself but she has potential to preach to the vulnerable like she was, to the jaded, to those already on that path and she doesn't even realise it. Even when talking of being remorseful she is promoting ISIS.

Let's also consider what will happen if she steps foot in mainland Britian. I dont like the idea of giving in to bullies but imagine the backlash from the far right. Innocent Muslims will be hurt, mark my words.

The solution. I dont know. If it is legally found we have to take her back she will have to remain in isolation, cant risk her spreading ISIS cancer, which makes rehabilitation and reintegration largely impossible.

The obvious thing to me would extradition to Syria for her crimes there. Problem is it could be years before an internationally recognised government is established there. To hand her to Assad would be to recognise Assad, not sure on our stance there.
Keeping her in a military compound in the mean time smells a bit Guantanamo, however she only has to be allowed back onto British soil, not necessarily mainland Britian.

The truth is people like her are a potential danger regardless of whether we take them back in. If we take them back in we risk the danger of them spreading IS ideology to a new generation of youths. Either that or we need to incarcerate/deradicalise them for however long it takes

If we leave them behind there's also a chance they'll radicalise a new generation of youth locally. IS may very well manifest itself again 10-20 years later in the region.

I think it’s a very tricky situation because even if she came back it might be difficult to actually put her in jail (where she belongs in my view). I feel like the alternative is actually pretty horrific and I think there are reasonable comparisons re:sexual grooming in which we wouldn’t leave a person purely to some limbo existence even if they themselves eventually committed remorseless and horrific crimes.

As Yoss pointed out. It seems through her parents she has a legit claim in Bangladesh. A claim seems to be enough for the UK to revoke citizenship in this case.

If you are asking what the problem is with her coming back see my post above.

As for her crime. Various acts of cohorting with terrorists, would be a piece of piss to convict her, she has stitched herself up in interviews, on camera, with UK journos.

She may even be considered a war criminal due to her affiliation.
The public and internationally aired beheadings by ISIS were aired and well publicised before she left the UK.
I dont think grooming defences will hold much water, to have seen the unavoidable media coverage of Alan Henning being beheaded just a few months before hand and then still going out there. Nope.

If this was a man we wouldn't even be discussing it.

Edit: I am more than happy, in fact would very much prefer her newborn to be handed to her family here.

Diluted Dante wrote:

We would if it was a white man.

I disagree. A rich white boy, now that would be cause for an exception.

Don't worry about that Yoss, she's someone else's problem now, woo!