Minnesänger wrote:It’s worth noting that even if you don’t get an AMP result, it could still be AMP via a Signed Exchange. I know Apple and Mozilla were kicking off about this a while back. (A citation: https://9to5google.com/2019/04/18/apple-mozilla-google-amp-signed-exchanges/) It’s also possible that an ad blocker / other Firefox extension contains an AMP removal function, I know there’s multiple AMP removers for Firefox. Like many, I’m baffled Gurt has never encountered an AMP page, but I don’t doubt him if he’s insistent - he’s one of the most tech savvy people here. That said, in the context of this discussion, the way Google serves news is a major issue and AMP is at the heart of that.
https://promarket.org/2020/09/12/contextualizing-the-dispute-between-australia-facebook-and-google/AMP is an industry standard, but the ACCC found that Google highly influenced its design. By requiring providers to host content on Google’s servers and determining the display standard, Google negatively impacts attribution (advertisers see the traffic going to Google and to the media pages, boosting Google); monetization (AMP restricts certain types of ads); access to user data (because the user stays in Google’s ecosystem, companies collect less personal data they use for ads); and retention and brand awareness (AMP encourages users to browse providers while media companies want to retain users in their environment).
The ACCC expressed similar concerns with regards to Facebook’s significantly less used Instant Articles for mobile users. It is also worth mentioning that Bing and DuckDuckGo also rely on a similar functionality.
Some publishers reported that AMP pages generate less advertising revenue per page than non-AMP pages.[53] The Wall Street Journal's Jack Marshall said:
"AMP pages rely heavily on standardized banner ad units, and don't allow publishers to sell highly-customized ad units, sponsorships or pop-up ads as they might on their own properties"[54]
Other publishers have reported better success with AMP monetization. The Washington Post has been able to generate approximately the same amount of revenue from AMP pages as from standard mobile pages, according to director of product Joey Marburger. CNN chief product officer Alex Wellen said AMP Pages "largely monetize at the same rate" as standard mobile pages.[55]
To improve advertising performance, the AMP Project launched the AMP Ads Initiative which includes support for more advertising formats and optimizations to improve ad load speed.[56][57]
GurtTractor wrote:Minnesänger wrote:It’s worth noting that even if you don’t get an AMP result, it could still be AMP via a Signed Exchange. I know Apple and Mozilla were kicking off about this a while back. (A citation: https://9to5google.com/2019/04/18/apple-mozilla-google-amp-signed-exchanges/) It’s also possible that an ad blocker / other Firefox extension contains an AMP removal function, I know there’s multiple AMP removers for Firefox. Like many, I’m baffled Gurt has never encountered an AMP page, but I don’t doubt him if he’s insistent - he’s one of the most tech savvy people here. That said, in the context of this discussion, the way Google serves news is a major issue and AMP is at the heart of that.
Aye well it's brand new information to me. It's only been mentioned in the last couple of pages, and I haven't seen being talked about in the articles I've read (and specifically searching for a mention is only showing a handful that reference it so far), so how am I supposed to know that it's "at the heart of the issue" hmm?
If it is essentially taking full content and some monetisation from the original publisher then yeah it's a problem.
I think we should draw a line between the headlines/short summary in search results and things like the longer extracts or AMP pages which could be more clearly stated as being a 'copy' of someone else's work.
acemuzzy wrote:Impaled in the groin by a cock. Not quite how is like to go .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56224144
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