The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
  • Just keep playing and learn the items and enemies and bosses. There's all sorts of little bits and bobs to it, like secret rooms and marked rocks etc that make your life easier when you learn 'em.
  • Really enjoying this now I'm used to the movement and for way shooting.

    Unlocked Azazel last night, he seems like a badman from the couple of games I tried with him.
    "Let me tell you, when yung Rouj had his Senna and Mansell Scalextric, Frank was the goddamn Professor X of F1."
  • Azazel is my go to "well shit I've lost 20+ times in a row, I need to win now" character, then Judas cos that Glass Cannon yo. Just don't ever pick up third eye  or orbital with Azazel, it'll fuck you..

    I finally beat the last boss of the Cathedral too, doubt I'd have done it without Azazel and Tech2
  • Just read in the Eurogamer review that this game is an exploration of a childhood spent growing up with recovering drug-addicts and strict religious types. 

    Dev gets my sympathies. Making this was hopefully a cathartic experience for the guy.
  • Yep, he's an interesting guy, beyond all the poo.

    I do wonder how many people realise it's the Meatboy guy.
  • If you fancy a cakewalk, stick in the following seed: "N2E2Z34V" and pick Azazel. You won't get to experience the full mentalness of it unless you've unlocked the very very very last level.

    I'll not spoil it, so instead here is Isaac firing the biggest tear eva

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  • Played a bit more but I just can't get on with the whole aesthetic. It's miserable looking: - all brown and greys, it sounds terrible and the subject matter is not something I like to be thinking about when I'm playing.

    Other than that it plays lovely and is a solid little roguelike, just a shame there isn't an option to reskin the game into a more Zeldary/fantasy style setting with fluffy bunnies and green trees...
  • It's interesting that it hasn't been sanitised at all in Rebirth - McMillen originally just used to design flash games for Newgrounds before Super Meat Boy got him real recognition and he got himself a slot on Xbox Live. Isaac, like Time Fcuk and Aether was just a grotty little flash game that eventually became a full priced standalone, then got its own expansion that added a ton of content, and finally it gets a proper spit and shine for Rebirth - all whilst still being the exact same game he originally designed for a dumb flash experiment.

    Can't argue with the browns and greys, but I like the music, some decent bitty crunch in it. It looks and sounds like a game about the subject matter probably would look like, even if it doesn't play like it. Still, this is why we love indies and their total creative freedom.
  • Been watching a few runs on the 'Tube. I kind of like what the game fundamentally is but McMillen's sense of humour still hasn't won me over at all.
  • Holy shit, thanks to getting Tammy's Head early on an Azazel run I absolutely rinsed the dungeon, got my first kill on mom's heart because that item with Azazel will one shot pretty much anything.

    Then wasted my Eden run because I didn't know about the tokens lolnoob.
    "Let me tell you, when yung Rouj had his Senna and Mansell Scalextric, Frank was the goddamn Professor X of F1."
  • Yeah it's god tier with Azazel. Works even better with Brimstone.

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    What you really need with Azazel is fire rate upped - passive item Cancer is the best, with a few more speed upgrades you can fire without charging.

    Tip o' the day: If you're struggling with Mom or Mom's Heart (and its Alt) The Bible one shots them, free of charge.

    I have now also beaten ??? so I only have one Mega Boss left to kill.
  • I lost to Satan last night after an epic 45 min attempt. Fucking love this game despite itself.
  • The hooks of this are in so bad. I'll beat it one day, I'm on winstreak -60 at the moment.
  • Woah. Er, have you unlocked Azazel? He's quite helpful for new players.
  • Sigh yes. He's supposed to be easy mode I know. And I definitely wouldn't consider myself new now, must be over 25 hours at this point.

    I'm not bad at the shooting, I understand how to play games well. Could I just be massively unlucky? I either get: loads of damage, no life or: loads of life, peashooter damage.

    Just chasing that perfect game man.
  • I mean he's not strictly "easy mode" it's just he has flying from the start and easy high damage potential that isn't nerfed easily by negative items - but without a life pool he's tough, those Dark Hearts don't come back so you still need good luck with Health+ items. Use him to get a feel for stuff. 

    Otherwise, Samson and Judas are very good - the later is a proper glass cannon. It's all about learning what to take and what to leave, and to increase your chances of the big pay offs. 

    Weigh up whether it's worth entering the store if you've got less than 15 coins. 
    Break the shaded blocks for a chance at extra drops, learn how to find secret rooms on levels (they're usually nestled between three other rooms and only accessible by bombs - it's not entirely random)
    Figure out if you should be passing up certain passives for others. Some are rancid, others like the rosary bead are great for getting extra spirit hearts etc
    There's an item that gives you a reusable eternal heart, if you use it after you kill the boss you're guaranteed an extra heart next level etc
    Always do deals with the devil until you're good enough to use angel doors to try and get to the cathedral, it really helps to unlock a wide range of items to beat the cathedral, so devil worshiping gets you there easily.
    Try and beat Mom with each character for a bonus item (if you have The Bible you can kill her instantly by activating it)
    Don't waste your time with pills at all, but learning what tarot cards do is really useful. 
    Devil items like Dark Bum and Lil' Brimstone are great (Brimstone is like Azazel x100)
    If you beat Mom in under 20 mins and have lots of health and a sweet item set, you can do the boss run - but you don't have to, it might be forced.
    Honestly, after Mom, the difficulty really spikes. There's nothing of worth after her, so just boost to the boss asap.

    Maybe enter one of the seeds i've put in to see how item chaining can really carry you/ You'll generally know by the end of the Caves if you can win or not.
  • Thanks man. A few things unclear:

    -  with practice you can consistently find the secret rooms eh?
    -  only been warped the cathedral seemingly at random, and it's just one room, don't see a 'level' there?
    -  I like pills! I was thinking the strat for them is always use them if you're having a weak run, in case you get a buff, but don't risk runing a good run with them. You say ignore always?
     - Those fucking cards, I don't know. What does 'item multiplier' mean for a start?
    - Haven't unlocked Judas, any idea how?
    - What do you mean boost to the boss after Mom? And yeah it gets brass balls hard after her disgusting leg (which freaks Nicki out).
  • I wouldn't say consistently... but if you get an item that lets you see them, like The Sun tarot card, or X-Ray Specs, you'll see they are programmed to sit in certain places. There are two - one is always nestled in a gap bordering at least two rooms, they other is always off a 'dead end'

    To enter the Cathedral it's the opposite of Sheol - enter two Angel rooms and hope you get luck after beating The Womb/Utero

    Pills can be a gamble if you're already at low health. THe Doctor's Certificate removes all bad pills from the game, and is always a great purchase at a shop (don't forget to upgrade it every so often)

    Cards - refer to the wiki, I always forget what they do but I only try and remember a few anyway. Sun/World are good for getting to Mom fast as they show you level layouts, Hierophant is the best as it's two free Spirit Hearts (Lover is good in a pinch) The map retains where they drop so you can easily use and come back after the boss etc.

    Judas is unlocked by beating The Womb once (you have to kill Mom a second time to enter it)

    If you beat Mom in under 20 minutes there is a mental boss rush that can be very rewarding if you can scrape through it. Can be the ultimate smack down if you fuck up though.

    I'd honestly suggest using Azazel for all the unlocks, that's what I did.
  • Thank you, but sorry 2 more Qs

     - upgrade shop eh? How can I do.
    -  what's Sheol?

    other than that I thank you for your time.
  • In the shop there is sometimes a little donation machine, you can pump coins into it, it levels up every 50 coins I think. Sometimes it jams though.
    Sheol is the alternate level where you fight Satan, after The Womb. You get there by being evil - so 2+ deals with the devil + some luck I think,.
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    Got around to putting more time into this finally. Game becomes amaze once you get a few power ups. Still learning what they do.

    Got on a 20 minute streak without dying, so that's some progress. Gonna get back to it shortly
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    I beat Mom! Fucking yas son.
  • Nothing like that first mom kill, good job bro!
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    Was utter chaos in Mom's room but I had a full lot of black and blue hearts so I just kept firing like a lunatic.
  • gratz

    now the real isaac etc etc etc
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    Wait what I have to do more I thought that was it :(
  • WELCOME TO DIE
    "Let me tell you, when yung Rouj had his Senna and Mansell Scalextric, Frank was the goddamn Professor X of F1."
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    Unlocked a ton of shit tonight. Can regularly go 3/4 levels without being close to death so getting a bit more consistent and thanks to Temp's advice up page I'm starting to home in on secret rooms and ignoring most pills etc
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    Mom's Heart? She dead. The Bible helped a lot! :D

    Still no idea what conditions are to get to new areas and all this shit but by fuck I'm enjoying it. Did Mom's Foot thing with Isaac, Heart with Azazel. Got one of those dice rooms, went from average all round to a full circle of death around me and bombs that fire out white mega nasty white orbs on detonation.

    Game is so fucking good. So good.

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