The British Politics Thread
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Osbourne is clearly looking to be forced to resign as an MP right?
Him and Dave were clearly bored of it all come the referendum. Dave gave himself an out by backing remain. -
I think he genuinely believes that he can edit a newspaper and work as an MP. Him and Cameron were never short on self-confidence. -
Either that or he has a ghost-editor. -
Wow, this is something:
Rohan Silva, a former Downing Street adviser who worked closely with Osborne in government, told the Today programme on BBC Radio 4 that he had called to congratulate his former boss and asked him why he had applied for the job.
“He said that a bunch of people had been calling him up asking him for advice on whether they should vie for the editorship job, and after a few of these calls he sort of thought to himself: hang on, this is something I really want to do,” Silva said.
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That just shows the measure of the man.
Even amongst his peers he is only looking to take what he can for himself.
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The whole thing is rotten including a lot of the criticism. He obviously hasn't been knocking his pan in as an MP, but that didn't bother a lot of journalists as long as he was working for fund managers and not jumping the queue for jobs they think they could do. The stuff about him having a conflict as interest because he's not likely to criticise the government and somehow sully the sacred trust in the non-partisan British press is laughable. They're bothered because he's making it too obvious what a stitch up this stuff is.
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"Better than a tech demo. But mostly a tech demo for now. Exactly what we expected, crashes less and less. No multiplayer."
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I had a call from the Labour Party last night asking if there was some problem with my DD, which I'd cancelled recently. So they're in the process at the moment of doing their damage control. I gave the guy on the phone both barrels on supporters being taken for fucking idiots which that bullshit 'referendum must be respected' line but he did want it followed up with an email. So they got it again in writing this morning.
That has cost Labour at the very least 10% of its membership, a fuckton of regular income. -
I haven't renewed either. They don't represent a credible opposition at the moment. -
It's really frustrating because Corbyn got a lot right at first. If he'd put aside his personal choice on Brexit these could have been exciting times.
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Well, exciting is pushing it but he could have ridden a wave right into those smirking Tory fuckers.
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Liveinadive wrote:I fear that we are headed to a power vacuum bred of incompetence that could pave the way for someone who makes May, Trump and Farage look like puppy dogs.
I wonder if I could fill the void"I spent years thinking Yorke was legit Downs-ish disabled and could only achieve lucidity through song" - Mr B -
He hasn't got it in him but its been a real missed opportunity to advance more socialist policies. There's fuck all substance to Brexit, plenty of opposition in the country and it really represents the absolute intellectual bankruptcy of the sort of politics we've had for the past 40 years. There's a huge chance to reconfigure a lot of stuff. McDonnell (I forget where I read it, the Graun a few weeks back I think) seemed to imply this was what they were going for, and why they're hanging on.JMW wrote:Well, exciting is pushing it but he could have ridden a wave right into those smirking Tory fuckers. -
Response from the Labour Party, fwiw (clue - nothing):
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thank you for getting in touch. I am sorry that you would like to bring your membership of the Labour Party to an end, and I would like to thank you for the support you have given previously.[/font]
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Labour campaigned to stay in the EU but we accept the referendum result and recognise that this means the UK will leave the EU. So we will not frustrate the Article 50 process.[/font]
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We also recognise that triggering Article 50 is the start of the Brexit process – not the end. Once Article 50 is triggered there will multiple opportunities for Labour to campaign and argue for our approach to Brexit – one that puts jobs and the economy first and protects vital workers’ rights and environmental protections.[/font]
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Labour has repeatedly emphasised that any Brexit deal must seek to achieve: trading relations with the EU that are tariff-free, impediment-free and can benefit all sectors of the economy; a clear commitment to protect workers’ rights, human rights and environmental standards; a strong relationship and close collaboration with the EU, including in key areas such as security, science and research; and certainty for businesses and investors, including by planning for transitional arrangements that avoid a cliff-edge for the UK economy.[/font]
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Labour have emphasised that the House of Commons must have a vote on the final Brexit deal and that there must be accountability built into the negotiating process. We have tabled a number of targeted amendments to the Article 50 Bill, which seek to improve the process and to ensure Parliament is able to hold the Government to account throughout the Brexit negotiations.[/font]
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Labour will argue throughout for a Brexit deal that puts jobs and the economy first and protects vital workers’ rights and environmental protections. We also totally reject the Prime Minister’s threat to rip up the economic and social fabric of the country and turn Britain into a tax haven economy if she fails in her negotiations.[/font]
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Labour will continue to argue for a strong future relationship with the EU – one based on collaboration and co-operation – and fight against a Tory Brexit that puts jobs, the economy and living standards at risk. [/font]
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I can confirm we have processed your request to leave the Labour Party. However I do hope you will reconsider - we can achieve so much more together.[/font] -
Anyway, point is, you can stop right after here:
Labour campaigned to stay in the EU but we accept the referendum result...
There's your catastrophic error. -
Highlight all your quoted text and/or all the tiny text then press the little A- button.
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Accepting a democratic decision made by the public? (Admittedly one that was based on largely ill informed opinion)
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I've done this before. Why not accept a Tory government voted in democratically then?
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We've got little choice but to accept it. Oppose what you don't agree with, but it still won't do much good.
You can despair about the public's decisions of course (god knows I do).
Both decisions (election and leaving the EU) were strongly influenced by the largely rightwing press we have in Britain (imo), who have such a huge influence.
Labour seem no more or less inept than they did before to me, it's just a different brand of ineptitude.
Deep down I suspect that any real change won't take place in my lifetime. -
I don't think we did have little choice but to except it though - at that time. I think it would have put us on a collision course with the fucking stupid, but I don't think that's changed anyway. Still roughly half the country think the other half are cunts.
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It's a no win situation, lots of people who traditionally might have been expected to vote Labour came out and voted for Brexit, forcing their hand somewhat.
Seems like Labour are fucked for any coming election anyway, either they alienated the working class people who voted for Brexit, and got seen as a Party for snobby metropolitan middle class types (that's how it would have been portrayed by a media desperate to push those people into the arms of UKIP) or they vaguely supported Brexit and pissed off those who wished to remain.
EDIT: on a phone, hence numerous spelling mistakes
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Labour presumably need to win over some of the people who voted for Brexit to gain any significant ground, so it would seem a bad move to not respect the result of the referendum, especially when one of the common reasons for voting Brexit is that people felt like they didn't have a voice. -
The Labour Leave / Remain split isn't that much worse than the Tory one. Yet with Labour you've got this complete fudge, trying to appeal to everyone but not giving either group what they want. It's a mealy-mouthedness that predates the current leadership and has been there since at least Brown. Blair too probably, he just did it better.
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Labour could have simply let the MPs vote with their conscience and/or constituents. It was a no-win situation, but with the imposition of the whip, Labour managed to make sure it lost.
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The problem was tabling amendments (which didn't stop the process), whilst at the same time imposing the whip before those amendments were voted on.
The country did, for whatever reason, vote to leave.
They didn't vote how to leave, so the amendments are a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and are not derailing the process. It's Labour as ever being on the defensive because they are terrified of the press. They need to have the courage of their convictions and come out and argue their case. -
Carswell has just quit UKIP, they now have 0 MPs. Woo!
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