yourfavouriteuncle wrote:

So it seems those claims that got Yoss so blindly excited yesterday are almost completely false.  Discredited by a public statement from Muellers office no less.  I’ve said before how much I admire Yoss’s blind loyalty to the things he believes in but - much like his constant assertions that ms are gonna make Xbox relevant to the masses again - it just must make things so much more disappointing when they don’t come to pass.

I mean i still haven’t learnt not to get excited by the things he posts but I just think trump is covered in some form of super Teflon that only the crooked and wealthy can afford.

Yossarian wrote:

There’s definitely something up with that story, although Mueller’s statement didn’t say it was false, it said not accurate. Lots of media commentators suggesting that the phrasing points to parts of it being true.

Wapo today

Inside the justice department, the statement was viewed as a huge step, and one that would have been taken only if the special counsel’s office viewed the story as almost entirely incorrect.

These commentators you refer to are probably stuck in the Twitter echo chamber same as most liberals

I think all these journos are ultimately useless on trump. They're very good within their parameters, their expertise, the old norm. But they're useless big picture wise.

I know I'm caricaturing, but they seem to live in a fantasy land where

- Trump is impeached and thrown in jail and/or
- the electorate finally realises he is a shyster and rejects him at the next election

And

- an establishment democrat like Boden or Karama whatever she's called waltzes into the oval office.

It's just not the real world. They're in a bubble of access and a feeling of self-importance which should have burst long ago.

Trump is a fucking animal. He's a psychopath. He's so dangerous we should not be giving into wishful thinking as to how to defeat him. We need someone who can open the eyes of the electorate by pulling the rug from under him. He ran to Clinton's left last time, in some respects.

We need Bernie. Which politico and co are busy slandering and slinging mud at.

I agree that the media have generally been useless with Trump, but I would think that they would probably be pretty good at parsing statements from official bodies (at least those official bodies that aren’t the Trump admin).

Which isn’t a particular defence of the veracity of this story.

WorKid wrote:

America won't accept a (spit) Socialist

The 70% tax rate is more popular than the Trump tax cuts, despite the Republicans misrepresenting it.

Conventional wisdom was Trump had no chance, and the Democrats couldnt win all those races they did win in the mid terms.

His numbers in each of those states were the same or much better than Clinton. His polling vs Trump was streets ahead. Clinton and trump were even entering the race.

If the DNC with the support of all the media had not blatantly stolen the primary, trump would not be president today. It would be Sanders that the mainstream would be haranguing, for doing entirely proper things.

LivDiv wrote:

Wasn't there also Sanders supporters voting for Trump as a protest?
I seem to remember that being a thing.

Yeah working class Dems in the south mostly. In the east west and north some went green, or didn't turn out

Kamala Harris send great during the Kavanagh stuff, so it's good seeing her in the mix for Prezzo. She'd get my vote I reckon. But no real idea how she's likely to fare in the primaries.

Harris suuuuuucks.

acemuzzy wrote:

Kamala Harris send great during the Kavanagh stuff, so it's good seeing her in the mix for Prezzo. She'd get my vote I reckon. But no real idea how she's likely to fare in the primaries.

Eugh

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

In the meantime, Kamala Harris, someone no one heard of just two years ago, is being given a platform by all the major press. Look at her book. The title, the cover. It screams "female version of Obama just made for you consumer peons to endorse". Ridiculous.

I predict get less than 10% in Iowa and not more than 16% in Pennsylvania

Did I write Penn, I meant New Hampshire.

Brooks wrote:

Harris suuuuuucks.

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Eugh

Why, out of interest? Not disagreeing, just don't know much beyond what I saw on telly...

acemuzzy wrote:

Brooks wrote:

Harris suuuuuucks.

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Eugh

Why, out of interest? Not disagreeing, just don't know much beyond what I saw on telly...

She takes corporate donations, she's a darling of the DNC, and politico, NYT and Wapo have been talking her up. That's enough for me to say "shill" and "off the shelf Obama copycat". No thanks.

Also, no one comes out of the DA role in the US without a stink on them. That's sadly just a fact. Only strivers and scumbags do that job.

What about gillibrand, is she any good?

Wait, I forgot the crazy angry guy. I guess I put him ahead of Pocahontas, but only just