Politics of the Free - It’s because Democrats, stupid.
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I found his moves distracted a little from his message but it's a pretty good fuck Trump.
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The argument about Trump’s election being about class rather than race doesn’t seem to be borne out by the data:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/
FTR, neither particularly is the suggestion that ‘hicks’ put Trump in power. -
How can the billionaires club ever represent the regular working class? Oxymoron if there ever was one.Steam: Ruffnekk
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The billos represent who the workers want to be. Romancing the Sith. -
Because the choice was literally this set of establishment millionaires or this new set of millionaires. -
WorKid wrote:Because the choice was literally this set of establishment millionaires or this new set of millionaires.
Course, the Democrats could always have put up Bernie Sanders against the human Wotsit. -
Shoulda billed him as Colonel. -
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There’s been a few of those types of stories floating around. I reckon that the GoP’s gearing up to ditch Trump.
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Trump dump
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The orange cunt is still stirring shit and trying to peddle weapons as nuclear tension rises. Why tff is he still president?Steam: Ruffnekk
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Tax cuts
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Yanks are just as stupid. He's the perfect president.
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His approval is at 32%.
Support for impeachment was at 40% in August.
Which is nuts but unfortunately I dont think these ratings will see him removed.
His core support base are the card carrying NRA militia fantasists that voted for him because he wasn't the usual political establishment.
If that political establishment remove him without him doing something extremely illegal that core will see their chance for a second ammendment party and potentially start a civil war. -
Impeachment won't happen while the republicans control Congress and the senate, and while tax reform is still on the cards. As soon as one of those things changes you might see some movement.
Trump won't move on tax reform yet, because it's the only thing he has to offer the GoP. -
There's also the risk from the even more extreme right wing loons, look at the guy winning the primary in Alabama the other week. A successful impeachment seems like a nuclear option as well, it dramatically changes how things work going forward. Any Republican going for impeachment is going to have a lot of thinking about the political consequences.
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Exactly.
The mid-terms are next year and many are looking at a Democratic win followed by impeachment. Unfortunately I don't think Trump disapproval equates quite so directly to a rise in Democrat votes. -
Liveinadive wrote:The mid-terms are next year and many are looking at a Democratic win followed by impeachment.
That suggests that the Democrats have got their shit together enough to win the mid terms. -
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Liveinadive wrote:His approval is at 32%.
Support for impeachment was at 40% in August.
Which is nuts but unfortunately I dont think these ratings will see him removed.
His core support base are the card carrying NRA militia fantasists that voted for him because he wasn't the usual political establishment.
If that political establishment remove him without him doing something extremely illegal that core will see their chance for a second ammendment party and potentially start a civil war.
http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/National_Secessionist_Forces
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"In 2016 the sale of firearms and ammunition resulted in $745 million in excise tax collected by the United States. A percentage of this money could be allocated directly to firearm research in efforts to determine means of gun safety and safe ownership (not control). Similarly funds could be used to create a database of gun ownership.
However, the Affordable Care Act contains a clause preventing data collection on lawfully owned firearms."
Fuckin lol greatest democracy.
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Seems like Putin's strategy of divide and conquer is winning so far. Brexit is a huge success as is Trump winning the US elections. Spain is also falling apart now; EU is positively getting a beating by the rise of populist nationalism.
2016 in hindsight will definitely be seen as a turning point in world politics; the year in which social media was successfully weaponized as a propaganda tool to rig western elections. And the weird thing is governments are hardly looking into it. The Brexit result in particular is accepted as non negotiable even though everything points to it being orchestrated and subsidised by foreign actors.
Am I the only one who strikes this as odd?
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No, but "democracy".
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"rig western elections"?
Does nobody else think the Russian thing is well well overplayed?
Who orchestrated Brexit and convinced massive chunks of the computer-illiterate to vote Brexit? The Mail and The Sun were the opinion makers. -
Look at the majority of stuff pumped out by RT, sputnik etc. A lot of it, related to "the west" highlights or outright promotes division. Russian entities payed money to the DUP to run pro brexit adds. There is also accusations that Russian money found its way into UKIP coffers. Russian entities ran divisive adds on social media to amplify racial tension in America in the lead up to the elections. Russian bot networks amplified nationalist messages during the Dutch, French and German elections.
There is a concerted effort by Russia to influence the public in western democracies in order to weaken the alliance of nato and the EU. -
Also, worth noting that the fair and impartial RT and sputnik are owned and operated by the Kremlin.
RT - owned by Ria Novosti
Ria Novosti - Owned by Rossiya Segodnya
Sputnik - Owned by Rossiya Segodnya
Rossiya Segodnya - Owned by the Kremlin -
WorKid wrote:"rig western elections"?
Does nobody else think the Russian thing is well well overplayed?
Who orchestrated Brexit and convinced massive chunks of the computer-illiterate to vote Brexit? The Mail and The Sun were the opinion makers.
UKip, the mail and the sun were clueless without Russian know how and financing. Without Putin's interference Brexit and Trump arguably would not have happened. Social media may tip the balance because targeted ads may just be that more effective when trying to reach the right audience (undecided voter).
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Facebook also has about 35 million active users in the UK. Granted a large proportion of those a probably not of voting age, but that is still a significant segment of the population that you can influence. Even if you only influence a small percentage of that audience it could be enough to tip the balance in a close run thing.
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2016 is the year western democracy fell from it's pedestal. We in the west have always viewed our democratic tradition as a sanctity, an infallible institution in which we take much pride.
That illusion is now gone, Putin has revealed the western democratic process to be very vulnerable and easily corrupted in the new age of tech.
Putin has laid bare the previously mystical inner workings of politics; a bunch of billionaires trying to influence national politics any which way they can. Lobbying, targeted propaganda over social media, accepting finances from shady foreign sources; it's all fair game in Putin's and the populist playbook. All for a fistful of dollars....Steam: Ruffnekk
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American and British voters have never needed too much persuasion to shoot themselves in the foot. The idea that it's all a shady master plan orchestrated from the Kremlin seems a bit rich to me. The Mail and others have spent 20-odd years moaning and whining about Brussels bureaucrats and PC gone mad as an example, and America has Fox News to spread poison and misery...
Russia may have played a part, but so did a myriad of others players. I'm sure lots of business groups resented EU regulations imposing on their right to be as exploitative and greedy as possible and were happy to fund a campaign to get that monkey off their backs. 'Mystical inner workings of politics'? It's the same as it always was, money talks and those with money attempt to use it to propagandise everyone else into voting in a way that suits them.
If Russia spread online propaganda and influenced an election or two - which is entirely possible, that they tried I mean, not that those diabolical Russkies have the power to rig any election anywhere in the World anytime they want, then it's only fairgame really. Us and America have been fixing nominally Democratic elections in other countries for our own benefit on a regular basis for decades. How many tinpot banana republic's has the CIA meddled in, installing their own chosen dictator in order to maximise profits or contain the red menace? As the bodycount went up and the death squads rolled out, did we spare a thought for the sanctity of democracy and cry a tear for the concepts of freedom & self-determination? Did we fuck.
Seems like both Brexit and Trump were a reaction against the mystical inner workings of Western Democracy, that wonderful concept that has left so many citizens of their own societies debt-ridden, depressed and despondent, and willing to vote for two obviously shady campaigns fronted by snake-oil salesmen that offered cheap, easy solutions to whatever was ailing the voters. If Britain and America were wonderful places where everyone basked in the sunshine of free market capitalism and loved every minute of it then I doubt Russia would have been able to so easily persuade people to vote for some change - any change, no matter how obviously desperate and doomed...
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