Jesus Fuck

My point entirely.  Plus it don't matter if they're repairing androids in perspex see-through box rooms.  Nobody is expecting them to suddenly come self aware, so no ones watching everyone's move.  The butchers are just too busy sewing up their meat bags and sending them out to the slaughter again.

Can't stand any scene with that 'Narrative' writer English tosser. 

Absolutely shite acting.

I_R wrote:

It's not the walk about that bothers me, it's the two guys agreeing to it, massively contrived.

Exactly. It's basic story telling, make motivations for actions obvious, plausible and/or easy to assume. This was a nonsense and ran contrary to every interaction between host and employee. It broke the rules and didn't explain why. It's not "overthinking" it, it's basic film /tv watching.

Apparently they had a big break in production after ep 5 . Hopefully that doesn't mean the rest of the EPs are as shite as this one.

I agree the story dude is awful.

Felt like a little bit of a breakthrough with this episode. Something actually happened. A character (Thandie Newton’s brothel madam) actually had some agency. Admittedly, this was enabled by other characters doing dumb things. But still. And Bernard’s engineer girl / surrogate daughter also did something which actually had purpose. Things are looking up.

Mind you, no screen time for the two young guys who may or may not be in the past. Or for Dolores. Maybe progressing two actual storylines at once was too much for the writers. They sure as shit didn’t progress any of the other narrative threads (like the disgruntled creative, the mysterious world builder, or the expert gamer).

So … I have a couple of basic theories.

Ford killed Arnold 30(ish) years ago, after a disagreement over the future of their shared invention. Arnold somehow ‘saved’ himself, as a ghost in the machine.

Also 30 years ago, Young William and his pal Logan visit Westworld. They work for Delos, who plan to invest in the park. Young William leaves Delos after his experiences in the game. He starts a charitable foundation and grows up to be the Man in Black, returning every year to try and find Arnold, fix the park, save Dolores and all the other hosts, etc etc.

In the present day, Delos are attempting a hostile takeover. This plan may or may not include killing off Ford, who is fully aware of what’s happening. Ford thinks he can nudge William/Man in Black in the right direction to ‘solve’ the game, bring true sapience to the hosts, and scupper the Delos plan.

Maeve is an outlier. She has reached sapience and self-awareness on her own and is going to complicate matters, one way or another.

A couple of episodes ago Ford told Bernard to remember they were machines and not people. This was re-emphasised when he told an engineer off for covering up a host.

That seems at odds with what happened with his robot family in this episode - I think he's up to something!

I almost liked Taggarts sidekick as the robot dad as much as background Yul. There's been a murrrrder.

TheDJR wrote:

I don't have the slightest clue what's going on

Wrong thread mate.

Bernard's a robot! I knew it!

It would have had more impact if they'd managed to make any of the characters real. As it is, it's a clever box of tricks. Well acted and executed though, just a bit empty. It also sets off another round of questions - is that a new Theresa getting made and who else has been secretly created down there. Hints at the staff being hosts as well. Everyone's a robot basically, including Ford, which is a bit dull.

Awwwwwh sheeeet dawg! Bernard be a robot f'sho! Daaaaaahum.
Dem tiddies doe

Your "theories" are a bit shit tbh

legaldinho wrote:

Your "theories" are a bit shit tbh

Got something better to suggest, then?

The reveal of Bernard as a robot and Ford's pawn is certainly no surprise, but it throws up a lot of questions and possibilities. It means that Ford has been privy to all Bernards conversations with other cast members which is why Ford is so aware of all the machinations going on in the company.

Anyway, remember way back when Ford showed Bernard the picture of young Ford and Arnold?




It was widely assumed at the time that the guy on the right was Arnold, but that's not the case. That's actually Ford's father. We know this because it's the same guy who is the robot Ford's father when Bernard first visit's Ford's mysterious cabin in the woods.
However.
I think this was a piece of misdirection, because if you look at the photo, it's actually framed to have three people in it rather than two.
I'll wager that Bernard is actually Arnold, but because he's now a robot, he can't see himself in the photo and instead sees an empty space where he should be.
This all ties in with the Bernard multiple timelines theory.
The conversations with Delores could be human Bernard/Arnold thirty five years ago, while he also exists in the other timelines because he's a robot by then and consequently never changes appearance.

It's all a bit of a clusterfuck tbh. Let's remember that this is a show that was shut down mid shoot because they were having "problems." I suspect there was a tonne of re-writing mid season because they were tying themselves in knots with the narrative.

Perhaps Ford is a robot? Frankly he could turn out to be anything. It's that sort of show.
I just hope that they manage to tie it up in a satisfactory conclusion over one season, because if all the popular theories prove correct, then it needs to be one and done. I can't see it getting the ratings for further seasons.

poprock wrote:

Season two was confirmed earlier this week.

Oh ffs.