How am I guilty of picking a side in an internet battol about a tv show? I had my own theories in ep 2 and i posted them in page 1 of this thread. I've consistently dicked on the show since. I agree with gman's view about the show.

Only just caught up with all the episodes and the theories. This show is quite the experience. It's very difficult to establish whether the thing I'm watching is any good or not. It's been put together in such a way that anything can be explained by anything. Is the thing you've just noticed an unintentional plot hole, a hint at something to come that will be resolved, a red herring or just nothing.

Take the Maeve stuff (I can't stand that character btw). Why does she wake up in the same tech guys place all the time? How can they get away with all that stuff without anyone noticing? There's people in other rooms just over there and they've stated how closely they're monitored. None of that is really important but the answer could either be shitty writing or 'because they're all robots and they're all on their pre-determined path'. And you might never know the answer to that, or you might find out in season 4 or something that the episode you saw three years ago was genius / toss.

It's an exercise in supreme hoodwinking. Every character seems to answer important questions with a cryptic remark, nothing gets solved and on and on it goes. The timeline theory really fucks this show. Either it's wrong and the show is a mess, or it's right (it seems to be) and the deliberate deceiving of the viewer crosses the line over what you should be allowed to get away with (like the bit where they notice in the control room that Dolores is off her loop, then immediately cut to a guy checking with her why she's off her loop, despite these events being thirty years apart). If you're building your story around a mystery, you can play with these things to wrong foot the viewer and mess around with them, but some of their tricks are just taking the piss. Or are they? Maybe they're intentionally fucking with all the rules that the viewer expects them to play by and they want them to break down and for you not to trust anything you see.

Anyway, it's a good watch despite that and it could turn out to be genius. Or the Lost sequel that no one wanted.

It's seems pure Nolan though. Good looking, high concept, plenty to like, but ultimately dumb execution and not as smart as it thinks it is.

monkey wrote:

Only just caught up with all the episodes and the theories. This show is quite the experience. It's very difficult to establish whether the thing I'm watching is any good or not. It's been put together in such a way that anything can be explained by anything. Is the thing you've just noticed an unintentional plot hole, a hint at something to come that will be resolved, a red herring or just nothing.

Take the Maeve stuff (I can't stand that character btw). Why does she wake up in the same tech guys place all the time? How can they get away with all that stuff without anyone noticing? There's people in other rooms just over there and they've stated how closely they're monitored. None of that is really important but the answer could either be shitty writing or 'because they're all robots and they're all on their pre-determined path'. And you might never know the answer to that, or you might find out in season 4 or something that the episode you saw three years ago was genius / toss.

It's an exercise in supreme hoodwinking. Every character seems to answer important questions with a cryptic remark, nothing gets solved and on and on it goes. The timeline theory really fucks this show. Either it's wrong and the show is a mess, or it's right (it seems to be) and the deliberate deceiving of the viewer crosses the line over what you should be allowed to get away with (like the bit where they notice in the control room that Dolores is off her loop, then immediately cut to a guy checking with her why she's off her loop, despite these events being thirty years apart). If you're building your story around a mystery, you can play with these things to wrong foot the viewer and mess around with them, but some of their tricks are just taking the piss. Or are they? Maybe they're intentionally fucking with all the rules that the viewer expects them to play by and they want them to break down and for you not to trust anything you see.

Anyway, it's a good watch despite that and it could turn out to be genius. Or the Lost sequel that no one wanted.

It's seems pure Nolan though. Good looking, high concept, plenty to like, but ultimately dumb execution and not as smart as it thinks it is.

Pretty bang on imo

Not the same Nolan doe.

They are all hacks.

I don't know if that's a nailed on theory in the latest episode, as I'm yet to watch it, but I thought the same. I think the Arnold/Bernard interviewing Delores is like 35 years ago when Arnold was alive and kicking.

I rewatched episode 2 last week, and with 3 timelines in mind, it begins to make sense. I would be staggered if this wasn't the case.

One thing that stuck in my mind is that Maeve only started to become self aware after Delores muttered something to her. I don't know if it's significant or not.

Looking forward to the next few episodes.

Good crack- just gotta tidy up in the final episode, mayber

I'm struggling to care about any of it now. Zero stakes action scenes, not bothering to do anything with 99% of the characters and the constant bending of the rules to fit the script have made it a dull watch. It's taking itself way too seriously to even watch it as high budget fun.

Pointless but fun: Westworld In Data

(It’s this sort of thing that proves the show isn’t as clever as it thinks. If it really were deep, this data would be illuminating. As it is, it’s meaningless fluff.)

I remember when Gonz thought it was all a VR simulation...

There was a throwaway comment in the very first episode about how we (the human race) have surpassed sickness and overcome mortality. Basically that medical science is so advanced they can cure/fix anything and prevent ageing. Ford (I think) said something about humanity being close to conquering death.

Case in point: When Maeve slit a tech’s throat his partner was able to repair/heal it in a few seconds. No harm done.

Because the hosts are basically synthetic humans (in the present day sections of the plot) all that medical magic works on them too.

I figure that when the hosts broken bodies are piled up in holding tanks, they’re just awaiting their turn for repair/medical attention.

The ones lined up creepily in Ford’s basement aren’t dead either. Bernard described them as ‘hobbled’, which I took to mean ‘switched off’.

Yeah but that's in that time line so she should be a bit terminator

Kow wrote:

Been avoiding this thread but now I'm up to date. I can basically overlook almost all the flaws and inconsistencies and enjoy it as a silly sci fi romp. But 9 episodes in and I can't figure out what the deal is when the hosts are killed. Sometimes it seems they have to collect them, sometimes they just pop awake in the lab. Sometimes they bring their injuries and sometimes they don't. It's beginning to piss me off. Those two just set themselves on fire in episode 9 and I have no idea what the fuck they expect to happen and how yer wan has any idea what to expect either, and it's a pretty important plot point to have so unclear. Stupid fucking program.

Yeah that is annoying. Surely setting themselves on fire isn't the best way to kill themselves. But more importantly, it means you don't know whether killing any host has impact or not. Is Bernard gone for good or is he going to be wandering around again, completely oblivious in the first scene of the next episode? 

I'm still edging towards an opinion that some of this is intentional and they're going for some meta viewer trolling stuff (not the Thandie Newton fire death - that was just stupid). I'm seeing it as Ford as a metaphor for the writer who has complete control over all the rules and all the characters, knows the tropes inside out and wants to tear it all up. He's literally digging at the foundations of the place and creating chaos with established storylines to build a 'new narrative'. Which is sort of what they're doing with the show. This reading may be bullshit though.

She's been levelled up in the more timeline(?), I don't think she's been back and operated on in the past- they were just convos

Anyway...how do they transit hosts to and from the butchers /et al./?

I have an idea that maybe there are multiple models of each character and they just wake up a copy when there isn't too much damage. But frankly, I think it's just down to piss poor story telling.