Can we talk about Logan Paul? - The Bear and Badger

Facewon

Liveinadive wrote:

Plenty of decent people on Youtube making decent videos covering a whole host of stuff.
The medium is an excellent open source where people can express their views, share their hobbies, lifestyles, knowledge etc. It is an outlet that I am extremely glad exists.
Unfortunately it, on occasions, results in mega twats like this guy.

Like much of social media it is a reflection on society as much as it is an influence on it.

I am more interested in discussing why cesspit content creators like this guy have so many viewers and what that says about society. Definitely a chicken and egg discussion mind.

This, but also, no Andy, you're not a stick in the mud. He's a complete asshat. As mentioned. It shouldn't be the new normal and I find he number of subscribers baffling.

Facewon

Trying to decide who I want him locked in a room with.

Leaning towards Greg popovitch.

Kow

I really don't get the number of subscribers. Maybe it's the new rock n roll and we're the middle aged parents.

[Deleted User]

I definitely think the audience is the young and otherwise socially ignorant, those that haven't really learnt about the world, consequences, the complexities of others.

This is why I think wagging a finger at Youtube really only gets us so far.
Ultimately Youtube are in it for the money, if it is You-twaters twatting about, sneezing pandas, whatevs it doesn't especially phase them. They will promote what is popular. This doesn't dismiss Youtube of responsibility by any means but the audience must exist in society before it can exist on Youtube.

A lack of compassion, celebrity culture, self interest. These things aren't isolated to Youtube, or even social media, they are in our day to day lives. Youtube just handles the videos.

Vela

honestly youtubes/twitter etc would be better if people like pewdiepie and logan paul had their accounts banned, all video deleted and all money since the offence seized (and diverted to the relevant charities like an auschwitz memorial or suicide prevention).

That way legitimate people like @Liveinadive could continue without concern and the people ruining it for everyone get fucked off for good.

stonechalice

People fuck up.

Whether we like it or not, this sort of thing is becoming commonplace. Nothing will come of this, and this idiot will continue to reap the rewards from brain dead children who idolise him. It's the result of over population and neglect. So many of these YouTube fuck ups are a product of a society flooded with wealth and dysfunctional parenting.

Bollockoff

Even Japanese Man Yuta went apeshit.

JonB

We didn't grow up with this stuff, but if we did I can easily imagine kids at my school passing it around and laughing at it, and they wouldn't necessarily be stupid or badly brought up or whatever. It's some dumb shit that quite a few 14/15 year-old kids would get a kick out of. Put that on a global scale and there's your 15 million.

The unknown quantity is what happens when kids are exposed to this and porn and other internet grot so constantly. In the 80s people were worried about video nasties, in the 90 it was violent games. Now it's a steady stream of absolutely everything - sex, violence, sexism, racism - in its most extreme forms.

I don't know what the effect of all that is, or what can be done about it, if anything needs to be.

b0r1s

Several studies have been done on the effects of exposure to internet porn on young men. One study I read was about that dopamine hit they get and that they need constant variety to get off, finding it difficult to have normal sexual relationships. That’s without getting into the violence aspect of some of the more extreme stuff.

b0r1s

Here’s a more recent article on it: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/scary-effects-pornography-21st-centurys-accute-addiction-rewiring/

JonB

Yeah, the way porn and access to it has changed so quickly is scary.

There's no answer to it in terms of traditional forms of censorship either. A more radical approach would be to try and take the money out of it.

b0r1s

Which is never going to happen. I think there is a broader issue around the internet as a whole and how we can eventually use it well. I mean even on this little island of normality we get moments of stupidity (and I include myself in this), but I suppose that is just human nature. Until we get the next major technological or social shift (which could be centuries away) then I think we need to mature our use of this medium.

On a personal level I’ve closed down and deleted my Facebook account and it had a massive positive impact on my life. I no longer hear the noise or even worse, go looking for it. I spend less time on my phone and that can only be a good thing for my personal relationships.

tigersgogrrr

TV is no longer the main entertainment source for children. It dominates the room and intrudes on what other people are reading/watching. So many, many parents palm of children with tablets and phones and unguided access to the internet. They assume places like YouTube are safe places.

We're slipping closer towards dystopia. Huge wealth created by acting imbecilic and with flagrant disregard for others, and a generation seeing these guys as role models.

Note: The majority of Youtubers aren't like this. But still... the biggest ones are.

Kow - I made the last one up.

Escape

Facewon wrote:

It shouldn't be the new normal and I find he number of subscribers baffling.

Teenage rebellion in this age of screen-based isolation? We seem to be the last generation able to relate to the plot of Stand by Me.

b0r1s

Sic balls.

hunk

Alt right is the new teen punk!
It's so rebel, lol.

[Deleted User]

Every generation thinks that what the new one does is rubbish/immoral. It's been this way since before rock n roll and it'll be this way when Logan Paul is an old man.

It's alarming it currently seems to be built around advertising but then again The Sex Pistols weren't exactly some utopian non-money making machine.

[Deleted User]

Although what the fuck kind of name is Logan Paul?

Yours,

Spacegazelle.

Vela

tigerswiftly wrote:

TV is no longer the main entertainment source for children. It dominates the room and intrudes on what other people are reading/watching. So many, many parents palm of children with tablets and phones and unguided access to the internet. They assume places like YouTube are safe places. We're slipping closer towards dystopia. Huge wealth created by acting imbecilic and with flagrant disregard for others, and a generation seeing these guys as role models. Note: The majority of Youtubers aren't like this. But still... the biggest ones are. Kow - I made the last one up.

Its a brave new world.

[Deleted User]

I'd put the chance of a Youtuber one day being president of the USA at about 90%.

Gamermike

Stuff like this will always be out there.

But in the meantime YouTube should only put adverts on PG related material so that shit like this cannot generate revenue. If retards like this cretin get seriously rich from content like this then it will only continue - unfortunately shock and controversy guarantees views and revenue.

Furthermore, accounts that continually post controversial content should have their videos deleted and subscribers deducted so cretins can’t generate fame/following. It would put people off rather than encouraging it.

I’ve seen first hand how much all of this goes to content creators heads. They think they are famous after one viral and who can blame them when there’s so much money in it.

g.man

SpaceGazelle wrote:

I'd put the chance of a Youtuber one day being president of the USA at about 90%.

Probably even higher than that tbh.

[Deleted User]

In a way this is the most democratic way of making money as pay per view targets perfectly. It's not like some CEO on £100 million, this only rewards results. Yes there'll be some change of policy because terrorists but largely it's a pretty sound system that gives the people what they want. it's just a shame most people are idiots and like shit things. Again, it's always been like this.

Syph79

What I struggle with is, as a teen, I'd listen to music or watch films and if an actor or musician would open their mouths outside that context, I'd likely cringe. I’m sure we've all said to the tv "oh shut up Bono/Michael Jackson/Lars Ulrich and stick to the music" - or something equivalent.

They all had talent, but you didn't necessarily want to hear their opinions. What's weird to me is that these YoutTubers appear talentless and are only famous for their opinions. I couldn't care less what they think about X or Y and I'll never open up YouTube and think "I wonder what X has to say on this subject". I do like YouTube, just not that side of it.

It's all reactions too. Here's my reaction to this. Here's my reaction to their reaction. It's vacuous and it appears like the big vloggers can't wait to stab someone in the back for more subscribers when it goes wrong for them.

JonB

SpaceGazelle wrote:

In a way this is the most democratic way of making money as pay per view targets perfectly. It's not like some CEO on £100 million, this only rewards results. Yes there'll be some change of policy because terrorists but largely it's a pretty sound system that gives the people what they want. it's just a shame most people are idiots and like shit things. Again, it's always been like this.

Fortunately this isn't entirely true. What people want and like, and even the extent to which they're idiots, is influenced by the culture they live in, which can and does change.

[Deleted User]

We can put horses before carts all day long but one thing I do like about YouTube is Daily Dose of Internet.

https://youtu.be/6FPqzu_QvAU

Diluted Dante

Syph79 wrote:

What I struggle with is, as a teen, I'd listen to music or watch films and if an actor or musician would open their mouths outside that context, I'd likely cringe. I’m sure we've all said to the tv "oh shut up Bono/Michael Jackson/Lars Ulrich and stick to the music" - or something equivalent.

People tend to say that when the famous person says things they don't like.

Syph79

Or is absolute nonsense

EvilRedEye

SpaceGazelle wrote:

Every generation thinks that what the new one does is rubbish/immoral. It's been this way since before rock n roll and it'll be this way when Logan Paul is an old man.

Previous generations were raised exclusively on content that had some kind of human values attached to it though. We're heading for a generation of kids raised on automatically-generated YouTube videos of Elsa from Frozen doing scat while Mario gases a Jew in the background.

WorKid

Or kids - and adults for that matter - are being freed to view what they want where they want, free from the controlling stifling influences of the BBC and Sky.

It's an overwhelmingly good thing, and you have to accept a bit of badness now and then. The key as ever is to make sure people have open and challenging mindsets.

Otherwise it's the old rabbit hole echo chamber.

But 'twas ever thus. The media makes it easier but there's always been propaganda and lies, from revolutionary pamphlets to Main Kampf to Trump's entire campaign.

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