It’s this gen’s cloud.

I’m ignorant what’s this machine learning in relation to Microsoft and consoles?
I know what it is for say, re teaching a computer to recognise a human face.

pantyfire wrote:

I’m ignorant what’s this machine learning in relation to Microsoft and consoles?
I know what it is for say, re teaching a computer to recognise a human face.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/everything-you-need-to-know-about-nvidias-rtx-dlss-technology/

Have a squint at that Panty.

Not sure what talking about it has done to rattle Tempy's cage but these are strange times

pantyfire wrote:

I’m ignorant what’s this machine learning in relation to Microsoft and consoles?
I know what it is for say, re teaching a computer to recognise a human face.

Basically you train it to be able to upscale, say, 1440p to native 4K so that it actually looks indistinguishable from real native 4K. So instead of wasting power on resolution you can focus it on framerate or raytracing instead.

Will it be used for large scale world destruction in the online side of a much delayed sequel to a favourite game of the 360 era?  Couldn’t be done without it?

AND STILL NO RELEASE DATE GODDAMMIT

pantyfire wrote:

I know what it is for say, re teaching a computer to recognise a human face.

That's why they need the infinite power of the clod for Craig.

If something is based primarily on reactions and fun and shit instead of characters and world building, I could see it potentially being worth dropping to 1080p etc. in order to have a more responsive game, especially in multiplayer. I don't really play Fall Guys to marvel at the graphics.

The blacks look nicer on PS5

Wow, Xbox has no games AND it's racist.

EvilRedEye wrote:

Wow, Xbox has no games AND it's racist.

Amended so as not to sound like im in the KKK

I'm obsessed with prison cooking videos so who am I to judge.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting 120fps wouldnt be a good thing (although returns diminish like most fidelity).

More that I dont think this time last year anybody expected it from these consoles and now there seems to be an element of disappointment it isnt there from some parts.

If you were always into it and given you are a fight boy Escape I am sure you would be then fair play. Just seems at a broader level it has become the latest drum to bang.

Fightmen run well enough at 60fps for gameplay (you could do more advanced anims at 120, at the cost of devtime), it's the lack of motion blur you can achieve with aggressive BFI I'm hankering for, and remember how flickery PC CRTs were at 60Hz? Much more comfortable at 100+, but games could still run at 60fps and I'd be quite happy with that (two refreshes per frame).

Input lag's another problem (where 120fps halves the visual response time of every input), but that's generally improving. The DualSense has slightly lower latency than a DS4 over Bluetooth, and though most fightmen still have 4-5f of lag, that's down from the 7-8f of a few years ago.

Older LCDs had much higher latency because of how their crystals work, but most of that challenge has been overcome now. At least to reasonable levels, and the hope is for microLED to be the first post-CRT tech where it isn't a factor for anyone.

As to why you'd want a higher framerate in games, it's not for singular inputs (where we'd all struggle to tell 60fps from 240 even), but for cumulative cohesion, as brilliantly demonstrated here:



The annoying thing (as mentioned by DF just upthread) is that CRTs can run games in lower resolutions and still look good, opening the door for super-high framerates. Instead we've VRR, working backwards from fixed-native 4K to try and make framerate dips less obvious.

Escape wrote:

As to why you'd want a higher framerate in games, it's not for singular inputs (where we'd all struggle to tell 60fps from 240 even), but for cumulative cohesion, as brilliantly demonstrated here:

That's a really good demo, you see a similar difference when you move a mouse cursor around on a high refresh vs standard display. The perceptual difference is really quite profound when you decrease input latency, you get a much better feeling of connection and immersion when you are interacting with something that responds immediately.

It reminds me of talks about some of the really pioneering early computer systems and the first physical and graphical user interfaces, people doing that research back then really understood the importance of getting an immediate response from a system.

It is difficult because it is all a balance.

I think most people understand price/resolution/framerate as a bit of a triangle .

The reality though is that without a sort of test or control game for that it is somewhat meaningless.
I know quite a few of the outlets that test these things have their games of choice. Tomb Raider, Doom etc are quite often used and that's fine as they are fairly average AAA games in their demands.

That can't be compared to what a console advertises as being capable of though in terms of technical possibility.
I seem to remember Rayman Origins was 1080p/30 native on the 360 and looked gorgeous. That 360 was speced as a 1080/30 console but pretty much nothing did what Raymond did.

Then you get into the deeper creative aspects I dont expect consumers to understand, it is bloody complex. However what has to be understood is that processing power has to be offset against creative ambition and technical ability. In layman's terms, some games look shit while others blow your mind using the same hardware.

I was playing MK11 Ultimate last night on my Series S. There was a bit with Raiden walking in a desert type environment
His hat was black with a subtle woven pattern and mottled dirt/wear that also had varied reflection that caught the light. I know how this is done, its my job to know but seeing it in a realtime/in engine thing was very impressive.
Increased resolution helps of course but this was really all about grunt being able to handle more complex shaders.