AKAIK we've no confirmation of how many stationflops just yet, I would expect it to be very similar to the Xbox. The GPU power is really not the star of next gen's show anyway, it's the CPU and SSD that are the literal game changers, and I think the setup for those will be very similar for the two consoles. MS going off on the flops right now seems like marketing bluster, maybe trying to force Sony to release more info than they would like to counter this.

The SoC silicon is going to be rather large for the 12tf Xbox, bigger silicon dies are more expensive and fewer in number due to the manufacturing process, fewer dies per wafer and a greater rate of defective chips. This means that it's going to be very expensive, and possibly in short supply unless they are going hell for leather to build up a big pile of them before release. I'm thinking that the big daddy 12 teraflop xbox might either be a prohibitively expensive machine to say 'look at us with the most powah etc' to make the brand look good vs PS, or sold at a loss but then I wonder about availability if demand is high. Maybe they'll be reusing some of the dicky silicon dies to make lower end models, makes sense.

Paul the sparky wrote:

Is Star Citizen coming to the next gen consoles?

Maybe but I would doubt it very much.

GooberTheHat wrote:

afgavinstan wrote:

I'm not bothered about losing a minute to load up a game again, so multiple suspends is a meh from me. I'm more bothered about losing a fucking age to updates and patches. Magic that process better please, consoleguys.

Don't you have auto update enabled on xbox? I can't remember having to once wait for an update.

Your not a a married parent I’m going to guess ?

Why would you make that assumption? @bob

afgavinstan wrote:

I'm not bothered about losing a minute to load up a game again, so multiple suspends is a meh from me. I'm more bothered about losing a fucking age to updates and patches. Magic that process better please, consoleguys.

The truth is that internet speed is one of the biggest bottlenecks with the computing experience right now, so many programs need to call home for updates or other data than even if you have the very best physical hardware you are still going to be waiting for your internet to catch up. There's no magic solution to that other than maybe moving to South Korea..

I think you'll be surprised at just how much difference all the little reductions in load times make though, it will all add up to a more seamless experience, assuming the interface design and coding has been done well.

GooberTheHat wrote:

afgavinstan wrote:

I'm not bothered about losing a minute to load up a game again, so multiple suspends is a meh from me. I'm more bothered about losing a fucking age to updates and patches. Magic that process better please, consoleguys.

Don't you have auto update enabled on xbox? I can't remember having to once wait for an update.

I eventually turned the auto-update feature off as it would routinely slow down my internet to the point of Netflix and the like buffering. Pain in the butt to go in and check only to find some random game I haven't played in 6 months is downloading an 11GB patch.

Paul the sparky wrote:

Is Star Citizen coming to the next gen consoles?

Its never being finished on PC so doubt it. Absolute broken mess and something I truly hate.

afgavinstan wrote:

I'm not bothered about losing a minute to load up a game again, so multiple suspends is a meh from me.

I’m the opposite. I realise I’ve been spoiled by the Vita, the Switch, and most games on the PS4, but I couldn’t live without it now, and having a few games ready to go would be great. I get put off going back to my PS3 or certain games on PS4 (like Assassins Creed Black Flag) precisely because I have to load it up every time. Being able to put a console to sleep for half an hour or so, while you watch a TV show, and being able to instantly pick up where you left off is a massive quality of life improvement.

b0r1s wrote:

I thought it was just an ongoing cash cow for the developers. They keep charging the suckers for more content.

Aye, they had an invite only event for the big cash cows offering them just a chance to potentially own an in game ship which hasnt been coded or released yet for about 10k each.

Its ridiculous and disgusting.

Dark Soldier wrote:

b0r1s wrote:

I thought it was just an ongoing cash cow for the developers. They keep charging the suckers for more content.

Aye, they had an invite only event for the big cash cows offering them just a chance to potentially own an in game ship which hasnt been coded or released yet for about 10k each. Its ridiculous and disgusting.

If that's true they're desperate for cash. Not a good sign.

Bob wrote:

GooberTheHat wrote:

Why would you make that assumption? @bob

Because as a married parent my gaming time is precious and the fact that i can switch my PS4 on and be straight in to gaming has been one of this generations best features

Oh, you were responding to gav, not me.

Dark Soldier wrote:

Theyve been desperate for a long while. Theres a lot of synopsis videos on Youtube, its been a trainwreck for years.

Ouch. Well at least DF seems to be somewhat hopeful.

Look at the size of that thing.

Spare Teraflops for a relaunch of kinect!

Wait a minute. That's not duct tape.