I mean, I get it, I really do: there are legitimate grievances against the current labour leadership, and I’m sure there are many voters who feel, genuinely, unrepresented by Johnson’s tories and corbyn’s labour. And they want their vote to mean something to them.

But in conversations with these people, I’m not trying to argue in favour of Corbyn’s leadership, I’m not trying to get them to adore labour’s policies. I’m simply saying: it is our duty to rid ourselves of opportunistic Eton-bred child-abandoning bastards, who lack the merest scruples to the extent that they will destroy the country for an iota of power. So vote tactically for whoever else in your constituency has the best chance of beating them.

It’s not ideal. It’s hardly inspirational! But the choice is stark and clear.

Yep that wasn’t aimed at you at all, just a general sort of rant

Yossarian wrote:

Funkstain wrote:

Surely the bigger point is that anything which reduces the chances of kicking out the utter turds in government, and their damaging WAB, is by definition complicit in turd retention? If a tactical voting website in any way suggests voting for a third-placed party, in any constituency where there’s a chance of the tories getting in or retaining a seat, they should be condemned as what they are: charlatans damaging this country.

That’s a perfectly reasonable argument.

Lol.

Just going back a bit, but I always thought the best way for Labour to answer the 'nuclear press the button' questions would be to say "Only a massive fuckwit would reveal those sort of plans publicly."
Perhaps follow up with "Why don't you ask a Tory this question too?"

RamSteelwood wrote:

Perhaps follow up with "Why don't you ask a Tory this question too?"

That feels a bit unnecessary, really. The Tory answer is obviously ‘of course I would press the nuclear launch button’ because they’ll say anything to appeal to the sort of fuckwits who ask that question.

Edit: Or what Dante said. Dammit Dante.

Of course they could. However they are treating this just like any election, and using Clegg's playbook from 2010: "a plague on both your houses", in order to gain as many seats as possible; aka normal procedure for a political party.

The thing is, I don't think this is like any other election, and I think they are being reckless treating it as such, and in more succinct terms: fuck the libdems (given Canterbury and High Peak, I'll limit that to their leadership though).

Funkstain wrote:

What the libdems are doing in Canterbury should reveal their true colours to anyone still doubting their "single issue, best for the country" motive.

Again, it's worth pointing out that I get it: any political party needs to have a long term plan which gets them into power, otherwise what's the point? And standing down in marginals where the seat holder agrees with your policy, so as not to risk giving the seat away to the enemy of your policy, simply doesn't compute with that long term plan. Swinson sees Corbyn-led Labour as an opportunity for libdems to become at least king-makers, if not outright second largest party in England. So fucking what if the country burns in the meantime?

I don't think I will ever be able to forgive. They are shameless.

That said, if you are in Richmond Pk, or Winchester, you must vote lib Dem. But in a constituency like Wood Green and Finchley, even if a calculator told me to vote lib Dem instead of labour, I would vote for labour. No chance of Tories getting in by doing so.

I guess they are somewhere between New Labour and One Nation Tory now.

I would struggle to describe them as centre left anymore. Who fucking knows though because they are a one policy party.

Nice.

The usual faces & places will report it as Labour merely attempting to bribe people with free stuff of course.

‘Look at these twats, attempting to ensure the whole country has access to vital modern infrastructure’

A quiniqunaibajillions

Seriously though, there is an element of kitchen sink that perhaps Labour would be wise to avoid.

If anyone on this forum votes Tory they are The Problem.


Bye!

"You've only got me, my party and our dismal, empathy-free vision of society to blame."

acemuzzy wrote:

Gove doing some good "using food banks? you've only got yourself to blame" chat. A return to form for the conservative party.

Too many places to post about politics just posted about this in the politics thread. Gove is an evil twat.

Yeah I need to make sure my two neighbours vote and vote Labour.
They are both on Universal Credit and like to complain about it but last time needed a kick up the arse to go and vote.

They both have their polling cards already, all our post comes through one letterbox so I know they are registered.