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Mod74

Tempy wrote:

Yeah, he's being a bit of a cunt and his voice is very annoying, but at least he agrees that. I don't like how he acts like she asked for 3 times more than the $5k she asked for.

Why is he being a cunt? He's pointing the masturbatory nature some kickstarter "documentaries" not the subject matter. In fact he goes to great lengths to point that out.

I'm not sure Ms Moran would approve of your use of the word cunt, by the by.

Tempy

Doubt she'd give a shit, she didn't appear to in her book.

She might produce shit, it's just the fact that he acts like he knows exactly what she is going to produce before she has and then presents a handful of female characters saying that if only she'd look at these the whole issue would blow over. She set up a Kickstarter to make a project, they are totally optional things. Rag on the people funding them.

Mod74

I think he was. Although there'd be nothing to fund without someone setting them up.

Though adding a 15th episode once she'd been called on the lack of positive role models was pretty egregious.

Tempy

Yeah she doesn't get any claps here from me. I don't mean cunt in the really bile filled way, I just use it too often. I probably meant 'he was a bit of a twit' more.

Brooks

Seem to recall Moran was pretty fond of "cunt" actually.

Mod74

You don't say.

Facewon

regmcfly wrote:

Tempy wrote:

regmcfly wrote:

Tempy wrote:

That's right only women can talk about women.

To an extent, probably.

Right that's us told then I guess.

Thank fuck for that. Take a telling next time.

Well, it had to be said, tbh.

It is the glaring ommision in this thread.

When having this sort of discussion, there seems to be a lot of psuedo-mind reading and assumption about intentions, and it's more often than not FTL. Heck, you could say the same in the God thread. I find myself always being mindful about what ideas/thoughts/motivations I'm ascribing to other people.

Had something else I wanted to pick up on. brb.

Tempy

Oh god what have I said now.

Re: the women thing, we don't have any women (that have posted in here) surely men talking about feminism in a positive light is a good thing?

I also do my best to be mindful, other cock ups notwithstanding. I'm making a meal of today.

ChattinWithChet

There are more than a few experiences and issues contained within feminism and gender stuff that overlap between mens and womens. If there were not, we would really be in a bind.

Tempy

I've gone back through my posts and I do not think I have at any point stated something that is not an opinion on Moran's book, non-verbatim anecdotes from my friends, or just stuff that is to do with general script I've read on feminism, which is why I didn't agree with Reg.

I don't think I've put words in anyone's mouth but my own.

Facewon

@temp: Even though I was quoting a string you were in, I wasn't actually referring to you. I'm not gonna pick anyone out in particular. Esepcially as some of the stuff that's made me balk (sp??) a little has been well intentioned.

And, obviously, this isn't a black and white thing. I don't mean that mens should never ever speak of such things, it's just that there's assumptions and and such that seem to creep into this sort of discussion when it's only men talking about it.

Tempy

Yeah, that happens. I do my best, but to err is to be human and all that.

I'd relish some female posters venturing their opinions but I only know of 3 and they rarely post.

Facewon

I'm trying to get the missus to post. Instead of reading threads and then shouting at her Mac.

Tempy

I didn't mean to offend you Ms. Fidace!

Facewon

heh. She hasn't even read this one. mainly the God thread. There was a similar thread on the old maroon room too though, that had her shouting a little bit.

Mod74

I didn't mean to offend you Ms. Fidace!

ChattinWithChet

@Face: Quit teasing us with reprisal from your friend and get her to jump in the water already.

Facewon

lols.

Facewon

Tell that to her boss who just resigned on no notice.

Kow

I shave downstairs and so does missus Kow and it has nothing to do with porn. We like it and nothing more. Just so you know.

Facewon

Noted.

Also: lols was @mod. next post @chet.

Kow

Feminism is a huge complicated mass with lots of views. It is not simply one view of what women think.

Facewon

yas.

Kow

Indeed.

*very drunk indeed*

regmcfly

Temp - I also wasn't referring to you. :)LOVE YOU

MattyJ

Cor dem girls eh? Crazy bitches.

But seriously, the 'Internet' reaction to this with the comments made by 4Chan or whoever was insane. Absolutely ridiculous and just not warranted at all.

I kind of agree with people saying that 'real men' are as under represented as 'real women'. Alan Wake is probably as 'normal' as it gets, in terms of he was just a guy caught in the wrong place, same with the guy from Silent Hill, or Leon in RE2. There are examples there. Same with women, really, Claire Redfield is a kick ass woman without being reduced to base level sexiness, as is Jill Valentine.

regmcfly

Matteh, you obviously haven't played Resi Evil Revelations, with wetsuit Jill's arse in your face in 3dz

Tempy

regmcfly wrote:

Temp - I also wasn't referring to you. :)LOVE YOU

I just gotta cover my back yo, don't want to offend no bitches

MattyJ

regmcfly wrote:

Matteh, you obviously haven't played Resi Evil Revelations, with wetsuit Jill's arse in your face in 3dz

I WILL NOW!

But is this not evidence that gamings treatment of women is now worse? Not to stereotype but now we have the CoD crowd, by which I mean the 14 year old boys calling other players 'niggers' etc, as a huge market appealing to that is easy money.

Tempy

The rather undesirable phrase 'strong female character' often gets brandished too. That such a phrase even exists as an identifier is something that I think is a bit of a problem.

Recently there was a Kickstarter for an iOS game called Republique wherein you played an inside agent in a dystopian environment who had to hep a SFP escape. Yes, so strong that she needed help from a man.

That female gender stereotypes are often debunked with the counter 'well we men get the same' is weak. First of all women aren't creating those stereotypes, and there is no male equality imbalance in the world at large.

Stereotypes of gay men in games aren't as common but I wouldn't be surprised if extra effort was made to handle them better.

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