GurtTractor wrote:

Yeah, 2 more cores, probably uses much less power (so generates less heat), and with an X570 motherboard you get access to PCIE 4.0 which can be useful for getting the most performance with 4.0 SSDs, and perhaps GPUs in some cases. It's always worth waiting until proper reviews come out for a really accurate picture of just how the performance is, but it looks like they've made some smart architectural changes this time around to improve performance and latency, and the IPC and clock speeds are improved once again over 3rd gen.

Louiecat wrote:

I’d like a 2080 super really but they are pretty pricey considering the new 3070 price so if the 2070 will do for gaming on ultra in 1440p in most cases and on high while streaming / recording that willl be fine - what do you think? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/dilberry/saved/sVRhkL

GurtTractor wrote:

SpaceGazelle wrote:

Louiecat wrote:

hahahahaha.hang on....... https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nybdCz

I wouldn't bother with a liquid cooler. Noisy things.

I would very much recommend a big air cooler over a liquid AIO. I've previously been able to compare a good 280mm liquid cooler against my Noctua D15s air cooler and the Noctua won hands down in terms of noise/temp for my usage. Liquid coolers have some benefits for short burst type workloads, and the 360mm variants in particular do offer the best cooling but are only really necessary with the hottest CPUs (Intel's top end). There is a 'cool' factor I guess with them too and perhaps an aesthetic advantage so if that's important to you then go for it. Those things don't outweight the significant downsides though IMO - They have to be mounted in a particular way to avoid long-term issues, and they all have like a 5-year lifespan before liquid evaporation and pump problems. I think they tend to be noisier due to the turbulence for air to get through the fins, plus they have to be mounted near the outside of the case rather than sitting in the middle of the internal space like with an air cooler, plus the little pump motors have to spin at a high rate which means there can be whine. Big air coolers cool better than 240mm, about as good as a 280mm, and worse than a 360mm but not much really requires such a crazy cooler. Air coolers won't fail either, just the fans after a very long time and even then the cooler will still work passively. If a liquid cooler pump fails then the system will probably immediately overheat and shut down to prevent damage. Just massively overhyped and overused compared to big air coolers IMO, overpriced too. Get a Noctua D15 or Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 or similar and put the £40+ savings towards more/better RAM, better SSD, etc. Ryzen runs relatively much cooler than Intel so big air is fine.

Speedhaak wrote:

[justify]Bought a 1TB Samsung 870 QVO anyway, should keep me going for awhile. [/justify]

Louiecat wrote:

also will a motherboard that supports the 3000 series support the new 5000 if i decided to upgrade next year and not try to secure a 5900x now? I guess so right?

GurtTractor wrote:

Louiecat wrote:

I’d like a 2080 super really but they are pretty pricey considering the new 3070 price so if the 2070 will do for gaming on ultra in 1440p in most cases and on high while streaming / recording that willl be fine - what do you think? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/dilberry/saved/sVRhkL

Yeah should be more than fine. You should be able to get a hold of a 5000 series Ryzen if you put in a preorder when they go live, maybe give some place a call to see if you can ensure that you can nab one. Depends on how soon you want to get this built I guess, 3000 series is still excellent anyway.. You need a very powerful card like a 3080 to see much difference between CPUs, and at a high resolution/settings the game will often be GPU bottlenecked anyway. The 5000 series Ryzens seem to be on par with Intel for high end gaming, 3000 is still very good though for a mixed use system.

GurtTractor wrote:

Louiecat wrote:

I’d like a 2080 super really but they are pretty pricey considering the new 3070 price so if the 2070 will do for gaming on ultra in 1440p in most cases and on high while streaming / recording that willl be fine - what do you think? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/dilberry/saved/sVRhkL

Yeah should be more than fine. You should be able to get a hold of a 5000 series Ryzen if you put in a preorder when they go live, maybe give some place a call to see if you can ensure that you can nab one. Depends on how soon you want to get this built I guess, 3000 series is still excellent anyway.. You need a very powerful card like a 3080 to see much difference between CPUs, and at a high resolution/settings the game will often be GPU bottlenecked anyway. The 5000 series Ryzens seem to be on par with Intel for high end gaming, 3000 is still very good though for a mixed use system.