Work - The pros and the cons...
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    Good luck Wookie. I think you're definitely right about support availability being greater in the uniform job than in the private sector. But their commitment to you comes at the cost of a greater commitment to them as well. It's a strange one, probably if you'd got this job when a bit younger before you'd had the freedoms and responsibilities that came with essentially running your own business as a karate instructor, it might have been easier to give yourself more completely to the job. I completely understand how it can feel a bit suffocating doing that now though when you crave certain flexibilities to work around the kids and school etc. These really are big decisions to make and you're right that gym jobs will come up more often than police jobs, but that said depending on how far through training etc you are, then you certainly retain a lot of value on future recruitment cycles, as the training received so far makes you a much cheaper option when vacancies do arise. I don't know the state of the Special Constable situation but lots of guys who leave military full time find a decent compromise in the Territorials, I wonder if something similar might be available for you if you wanted to keep your oar in. I worry that council coppers might have decimated the part time police force though, dunnno
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    Sounds like a plan
  • Sat here waiting, all suited and looking fly. Now gotta avoid the urge to shout “£200k or we take it to Sky!” during the meeting
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  • Good luck wookie.
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  • Fingers crossed for you mate.
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  • Well that went as expected.
    They didn’t meet my bottom line but they offered lots of other ways to bump up the salary.
    However those all involve meeting performance targets that would require putting in lots more hours on top of my expected 40. something I’m keen to avoid

    So having discussed it with the wife I think it’s a risky move, one that I don’t think is the wisest right now.
    I said to myself that I would only make this jump if it was absolutely right and it isn’t currently doing that.

    I know they want me, they’ve offered me the role twice now over the last few months and this time it’s in the biggest and most successful site. So I know I’ve got what it takes to go into that type of role in the future if my current role doesn’t work out.

    I think I’m going to call them tomorrow and say thank you but no.
    Not everything is The Best or Shit. Theres many levels between that, lets just enjoy stuff.
  • Damn.
    I assume you werent a million miles away, seems silly as the right person should easily make the difference up.


    When you call tomorrow work it like you are giving them one last chance to meet your bottom line.
  • It was a £2k difference but the trouble is unless I want to put in more hours and give up most evenings I’m going to be stuck at that salary for at least 3 years before a chance to move up comes along.
    Whereas I’m going to have more potential for growth where I am.
    Not everything is The Best or Shit. Theres many levels between that, lets just enjoy stuff.
  • Yeah, that sounds like the right move.

    On the off chance they are bluffing, have in mind a salary you would accept when you make the call in case they hail Mary you.
  • £2k should be nothing to a business like that. Fucksake.
  • I'm impressed with the amount of thought you're putting into this decision. So often in life we just go with our gut feelings when it comes to big decisions, but it really sounds like you and your wife are properly thinking all this through.
    I wouldn't begin to advise you as to what the right decision is for you, but I would worry that as Britain is about to leave Europe and perhaps plunge into a brutal recession, a hell of a lot of people might suddenly stop spending money on things like gym memberships, and you could find yourself in a hole if you go down that road.
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  • g.man wrote:
    I'm impressed with the amount of thought you're putting into this decision. So often in life we just go with our gut feelings when it comes to big decisions, but it really sounds like you and your wife are properly thinking all this through.
    I wouldn't begin to advise you as to what the right decision is for you, but I would worry that as Britain is about to leave Europe and perhaps plunge into a brutal recession, a hell of a lot of people might suddenly stop spending money on things like gym memberships, and you could find yourself in a hole if you go down that road.

    This is one of my concerns too. I think it’s a very risky step to be taking right now.
    Not everything is The Best or Shit. Theres many levels between that, lets just enjoy stuff.
  • LivDiv wrote:
    £2k should be nothing to a business like that. Fucksake.

    Yeah, gotta admit that's my thought too. Either they are being a bit too cheap or they aren't in a position to offer more which maybe tells its own story.

    Your post about the good points of your current job on the previous page says a lot about it.
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  • g.man wrote:
    I would worry that as Britain is about to leave Europe and perhaps plunge into a brutal recession, a hell of a lot of people might suddenly stop spending money on things like gym memberships, and you could find yourself in a hole if you go down that road.

    Whereas we’re heading for a decade of petty crime, riots and civil unrest, so it’ll be boom time for the Police force.
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    I think Wook made the right move. Sometimes staying put is the right move.

    In times of disruption, public sector can be a good place, esp. if the someone is going to haggle over £2,000.
    Holding the wrong end of the stick since 2009.
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    Unless the Tories are in charge for another decade and the job is already causing you unmanageable levels of stress.

    2k pay cut for better mental health? I'd certainly consider it.
  • I think once employees in the public sector have realised there’s a problem with health/stress, they’re very good at finding ways to support and manage it though. I can’t speak for Wookie, but he seems to be a lot happier since he’s gone back to work and that suggests his employer is doing what it can to help.
  • Ive made my decision. I'm staying put.
    I know frontline isn't where I want to be long term but I've only got another year before options open up for me to apply for transfers to different departments/specialisms etc or even different forces. I think the risk with the gym job is too much really, at this point in my life with my family I need the certainty and support that the public sector can offer.

    Besides, I'm feeling a lot better in terms of mental health lately, really think I'm turning a corner and my employer is certainly helping with that.
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    Sounds very sensible!  And great to have put yourself out there to firm up that thinking.
  • I think you're making the right decision, Wooks; gym will always be an option.
  • Best of luck with it Wookie.
    You have clearly thought long and hard about it so it has to be the right decision.
    You gave the other options it's best shot so no regrets.
  • No regrets indeed Liv, Way I look at it is this, the gym company has offered me the management job twice now in two different sites over two months. A friend of mine who manages a site nearby said she did some digging and my CV was the most impressive and after the interviews they decided there and then I was the right person for the job so that option wont ever go away, Its not like I'm going to lose experience and qualifications.

    If in the future I decide its right then I have that to fall back on.
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    Good on you Wookie. I often interview even when I'm happy in a position, just to see what the market is saying and whether I'm valued correctly. Seems that this look elsewhere has given you a chance to appreciate the benfits of your current role a bit more, which is a greta thing as it's only going to make you happier in the day to day
    "I spent years thinking Yorke was legit Downs-ish disabled and could only achieve lucidity through song" - Mr B
  • So the missus has made it clear that she thinks it's not right for me to take this job, saying I'll grow to hate being back in retail (a possibility, for sure) but mostly down to the drop in money as we're meant to be trying to save for a house. This came at the end of a convo where she reiterated her desire to leave her office job that's making her miserable to go full time with her illustrations and pick up a part-time job somewhere, which in itself throws a mortgage into jeopardy as we both need to be in permanent employment to get one. I'm... A bit stunned? I tried to make the point that my happiness is important too, she said she's saying it and trying to build me up because I'm worth more than both these jobs combined, which I appreciate, but the underlying message has taken the wind out of my sails a bit if I'm honest. Will still have to wait and hear and then make a decision, and I have been back and forth with it. Like I said, I'm just a bit stunned at the message. It's very possible my self-deprecating mind takes it in and turns it on myself in a negative way though. She does come from a loving place.

    It just makes me sad having to hear it. I want to give her the world but I can't and the shame kills me inside.

    Maybe one for the love thread. Sorry. I'm toilet cubicle ranting here.
  • To give her the benefit of the doubt, it could be that your back and forth on this has caused her to grasp the nettle somewhat and just say what she thinks is better for you personally and for you both?

    I would definitely say that getting stressed out in any way about a hypothetical is a waste of energy. First, wait and see what they say - then you have a decision to make. And you have to make it, it's your life - it's up to you to decide how much her wants and needs influence that decision.

    I'm not sure what her underlying message is other than "retail sucks and you'll be unhappy again, and we need the money anyway so", which may just be her looking out for you - it's important not to tie too many things up in a knot (such as what she wants to do) because it becomes very difficult to unpick. What she wants to do with her life is one thing, and what you want to do is another, and yes they both impact on other shit like getting mortgages but that's other shit - making decisions is hard enough without trying to think of countless other linked things that may or may not be impacted.

    What I'll say is: wait for the feedback. Then take a the decision: you'll make the right one for you, so it'll be easy to make her understand it. Then talk about the other things. If you don't get the job, perhaps that drives a new conversation about your futures - but leave it to after.
  • Thanks Funk. You're right about not worrying just now. Will try and keep the head.
  • Aye, don't stress it until you hear back. Remind me what the drop in earnings was between the two? Might be something to be said for earning a little less money but having much more civilised and predictable shift patterns, so more evenings free etc?
  • The highs and lows of being in love with a difficult woman, Gav. The reasons you adore her are likely the same things can drive her to fuck with your head/feelings at times.

    Roll with it and keep a clear head. You’ve got this, whatever you decide.
  • So I didn't get the gers job. I was in truth leaning away from it due to the drop in money, but it's still disappointing. No feedback either. Oh well.

    Interviewed for a promotion in my current work this week. Waiting to hear on that. Crucially, it'll mean a permo contract, which is really all I'm after.

    Cheers folks.
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