Assassin's Creed
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  • £18 in the PS4 sale. Haven’t played an AC game since the Paris one and I really really hated that one. Should I try it?

    I’m desperate to find a full fat aaa game to play as I’ve bounced off so much lately I’m worried I’m getting late gen fatigue.
  • Yes it’s much better than any other ac game this gen. think the Witcher but watered down a little
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  • I didn’t play the Witcher because the setting wasn’t for me. Can I be full on stealth if I wish as the others promised this but fucked up due to the shit fuck controls and broken mechanics?
  • Yeah there’s basically three upgrade paths and stealth is one of them although there are battle sections you can’t stealth nearly everything else it’s a viable option although even we a fairly full on stealth build you can mix it up when shit inevitably goes down when your crap like me
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    £18 in the PS4 sale.

    That's Origins not Odyssey, right? ie bit the most recent?
  • I've hated pretty much every AC game but I'm enjoying Odyssey. As I've said before, I feel more like I'm playing Mass Effect: Roman Edition.
  • When I first got the ship I sailed across the map for Poseidon's Trident which unlocks the breathe underwater rune. Great for the underwater chests.
    Weapon wise twin daggers and the Achilles bow (I think) which was outputting a million damage per power shot.
  • Just got it. Am I right in thinking that the female is the better of the two leads? I seem to think eg did an article on how ace she was and also think she won some performance awards? Tbh as long as it’s not the dudebro nonsense of every other game ever I should be fine.
  • She’s certainly gives a winning performance. The guys is a bit of a tool but I’ve only seen him play opposite the female so he might be better written as the lead?
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  • Really enjoying this now, despite it being another Ubi checklistathon full of busy work. The feeling of invincibility when you approach a camp stealthily only to have two mercs after you arrive and you destroy the lot with a legendary spear and dagger combo. Nice. Level 16 now I think.
  • temepted by that sale and spartaning up. I'll regret it i know
  • AC3 on switch - long winded start - just got to Boston and it’s still
    Very broken up
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  • So I stuck 67 hours into Assassin's Creed: Odyssey over the course of a week. Don't worry, I'm on holiday (well, my dad is, I am just looking after his dogs)

    It's... a mixed bag. It is an insane, sprawling world that looks gorgeous every single second that you play it. The camera is panned fairly far back just so you can take it all in and the level of detail and the way it manages to make so many of its hundreds of areas feel unique is great. The red earthy clay in one area mixes with the sunset to, in others the moonlight shines of marble quarries. The oceans or vast and inviting, the macro and the micro are so well presented... but there's so little to do in it. Nearly every fort, camp, cave, tomb and city feel totally identical after a while. It's a fair reflection of real life, but games are at their best when they deliver novelty. There's plenty of novelty in Odyssey, but it is buried under a hell of a lot of copy and paste asset reuse, which is understandable but disappointing. For every quest where the developers put a spin on a myth or a historical figure, there are 30 "fetch item from area" quests. The dopamine rush of clearing them wanes pretty quickly, which is largely the fault of the combat system.

    Keeping a game this massive feeling fresh in your hands even if the content is samey for its entire runtime is tough, so they resorted to a system where you define your build through a three trees of perks and abilities, and boost that with Diablo style gear. The gear side is fun enough, adding engravings (minor perks) to weapons and armour is great fun, and the weapons are mostly quite enjoyable when you unlock Overpower Attacks, and I loved hunting down the legendary gear sets because it felt setting appropriate. Unfortunately it utterly shafts most of the gameplay. You aren't really an assassin in this game, more a mercenary in the AC world, and it shows because you can't really specialise in one area without feeling useless in others. Headshots don't kill enemies unless you spec everything into the Hunter build. Assassinations tickle a lot of enemies unless you sacrifice everything to doing damage that way. Every enemy is a damage sponge that soaks up health unless you go crazy on stacking Warrior abilities. No matter what you do, the aggressive scaling content and the fact you're always picking up new gear with beater stats and upgrading being prohibitively expensive means you can really struggle to settle into a build. Combat is also far too loose for my liking. You auto switch targets all the time, parries and dodges have really awful feeling timing, there is the same disconnect between canned animations and sound effects and impact that has plagued the series since day one... but occasionally it all falls into place and you feel pretty powerful - like the demi god you're supposed to be.

    Despite all my gripes it was still fairly engaging. There are very few games that let you transition from so many disparate systems with such ease, and some of those systems - Cultists and Mercenaries - are really engaging. It was often frustrating but usually fairly exhilarating to fuck up the assassination on a Polemarch at a Fort, only for a coupe of Mercs to find their way inside and start raising having, leading to a sprawling battle that sucked in tens of NPCs as you balance parrying and blocking with overpower and ability combos. The fact you could stumble across a riddle in a ruined temple, that lead you past a tomb you could raid for a new ability point, before jumping on your boat and waging a cross continent naval war before setting off to track down a Cultist on Crete and finding yourself embroiled in a journey to hunt down the Kretian Bull and the actual Minotaur itself is a wonder - seamless and enthralling, but covered in redundant quest after redundant quest.

    It's an absolute visual marvel, and full of instances of genuine brilliance and wonder, but there's just so much autopilot content there, and it robs it of its epic feeling. It's hard to feel like you're on an Odyssey when you're stuck doing menial tasks. Thankfully your company is great, the supporting cast are all fairly fun and Kassandra is an absolute treat to play as, even if I don't really enjoy all of the multiple choice stuff it asks you to engage in.

    Ultimately it's a fairly mediocre game in the grand scheme of things, elevated by those one off moments that capture a real sense of wonder and excitement that many games can't hold a candle to. Even just walking around soaking in the sun can feel special at times, but all of that is at a price of it feeling strangely cold and artificial. Too distant to make you care, too disparate and indecisive about what it wants to focus on.
  • Yah, pretty much encapsulates my feeling about it too. Despite all its flaws, it remains the action-RPG of our times.
    It wasn't until I hit my thirties that I realised you could unlock rewards by exploring the map
  • I started Origins right after and it's much more my speed though. Far better combat, batter protagonist, better presentation and world building.

    It feels like such a minor detail, but the way the camera is much closer to Bayek makes you really feel like you're in the world. I actually take me time to walk/jog around and explore in this, whereas in Odyssey I just shot around like some Spartan rocket.

    I am actually quite interested to see what Ubisoft Montreal do next, as it could be really good if they build on the ground work of Origins. I suspect Quebec could tighten up the stuff around Odyssey later too.
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    Am really enjoying Odyssey. Early days but it looks spectacular, the BotW climb anywhere mechanic is brilliant and the combat is suitably simple and easy.

    Should do me until the combo of Control/Blands 3
  • Have you clambered onto the testicles of the giant statue on the starter island yet? Trust me, it's worth the climb.
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    First thing I did, hung there for some while basking in it.
  • One of the best things is how every area and island has it's own hue and colour grading that makes it all feel nice and unique. One of the islands is where they make purple Dye so one of the areas is just suffused with purple, another area is full of rich orange clay pits, and my favourite was a beach where they had caught hunners of octopus and it was bright red.

    Still prefer Origins overall though.
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    You said this to me after a million beers last night
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  • So I picked up season pass at half price a week ago and really enjoying it so far.
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  • 'Anonymous tipster’ - I wish the the gaming press would stop with this clickbait nonsense.
    It wasn't until I hit my thirties that I realised you could unlock rewards by exploring the map
  • Blocks100 wrote:
    'Anonymous tipster’ - I wish the the gaming press would stop with this clickbait nonsense.

    sub heading.

    This latest Assassin's Creed Ragnarok leak is so detailed, it's hard not to take it at face value
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  • Just means some Reddit poster has got too much time on their hands and is fabricating a MASSIVE LEAK.
    It wasn't until I hit my thirties that I realised you could unlock rewards by exploring the map
  • Lol.
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  • Ok so started this, after half an hour or so...I love it. Much more prepared for this as an actual RPG, and going a against the grain but even though I’ve only had a handful of fights I think I prefer the combat to Origins. Time will tell.

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