I expect much the same, but it has been getting better...gradually.

Let us know your thoughts M.

I'll always give a Pro Evo demo a chance.  Ah Burchet, Castello et al, how I have missed you so.

Webbins wrote:

Burchet, Castello et al, how I have missed you so.

Ahhh, takes me back. Don't think I've played Pro Evo properly since the one with Collina on the front.

oh master league...the fading legend that was Minanda, the mighty Vornander at the back...then picking up the lanky left back Mathieu only to find out he's an absolute tank who develops into the most dominant midfielder of his generation....

*Ronaldo

Damn phone!

monkey wrote:

Pro MP beats FIFA

Care to quantify this?

Wasn't looking to start an argument, was just curious.

As far as set ways to score, not sure I agree. I score long-range shots, headers, free-kicks, (slag) tap-ins, volleys, route one goals, (slag) pace goals and goals where I'll keep the ball and just pass round/through them.

Bad players (and I'm not calling you one) will settle on one of a few ways to try and score - most of which are easy to stop. As for skill moves, I'd say about 95% of players I come up against have no real idea of how to use them. I agree that there are too many though, especially in Ultimate Team.

It might be that I'm just not that good on FIFA. Most of my goals seem to come from knocking it down the wings on the counter, or a quick one-two to break the offside trap.

I know. The same goes for FIFA too, the only time I enjoyed that was my spell playing the Be a Pro thing. Eleven a side was great fun.

Just had my first game. Is the difficulty set to 'Scotland' or what? The AI don't seem to want to put a challenge in unless you're in the box. I enjoyed it anyway, it seems easier to control the ball into space with the right trigger. I won two nil as England against Portugal, hitting the bar and post.

That gets me thinking, does anyone reckon they've dicked around with the shooting to ensure you always hit the target/woodwork with every shot? It give you the impression if an exciting game but I think the real thing will see me spooning shots wide from six yards like the last one did.

I'm sure Football Manager fiddles with the demo too, I won every game I played in the demo, once I but the real thing I can't get a win to save my life, despite having a better side, more of the ball, more shots on target etc.

oddly, i quite liked this.  it still seemed to have many flaws, but they seemed less annoying.  i'm actually quite tempted based on the initial play through.  i could go on and on about various things, but in summary, i think this...
the great thing about the old PES is that they were great games that felt like football...but recently both PES and FIFA have been trying to be a simulation...FIFA has done this better, but i think it's now got to the stage where playing it is actually hard work, and you're more concerned with not losing the ball and trying not to get beat than having fun (which is why i don't play any of the single player modes anymore).  Now maybe it's just the easy skill level in the demo, but this PES seemed a bit more easy going, a bit more enjoyable, with that old sense of the PES penchant for the sublime and ridiculous.

It was also 'good' to see that some things PES never change: the post match player ratings still appear to be total bobbins, and sliding tackles still follow the classic rules of 'yellow card if you play the ball, good tackle if you snap the opponent'

John Terry looks like a zombie in the game.

Also, did anyone else find it quite hard to watch the intro scenes?  i don't know if it was just a lack of depth of field or blurring, but there seemed to be a razor sharpness to the edge of the models that was actually quite uncomfortable to look at... or maybe that's just one of the lesser known symptoms of having the flu!

I thought the intro graphics were horrendous. They've fallen so far behind FIFA in almost every aspect of the game now it's staggering.

Having said that, if there's a save file that'll automatically give everyone the right names and kits, and I can create a Whitley Bay FC team from sfratch and bring them up to the CL final, I might just buy this anyway. FIFA's far too bloody complicated these days for noob like me.

RamSteelwood wrote:

oh master league...the fading legend that was Minanda, the mighty Vornander at the back...then picking up the lanky left back Mathieu only to find out he's an absolute tank who develops into the most dominant midfielder of his generation....

Lol!

I had fun with this yesterday and it's the first PES I've enjoyed for a long, long time.

Still reckon FIFA will be the better game this year but as Oli says, it's great to have an alternative and maybe EA will try a bit harder with their releases if Konami step it up like the good ol' days.

2v2 Ranked matches will be the highlight of PES this year for me.  Definitely worth a rental at least.

Oh and this PES demo is very early code according to some sources so I'm hoping they will iron a few things out by release day.