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  • FranticPea
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    That's the problem, ultimately most ISPs mean you're stuck with BT anyway.
  • Paul the sparky
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    I was going to say that. Everyone with Sky are using BT lines aren't they?
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    Yup. Some people on virgin adsl are using BT lines....
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    Oh God, don't get me started.

    BT own the copper in the ground, and the exchange. But AFAIK they don't always own the equipment in it.

    As I found out when considering going back to O2 from Sky. Apparently Sky had "done something" to the line at the exchange and took ownership of it, meaning O2 would need to send an engineer (I call bullshit but hey) to take ownership back (to BT). Which was going to cost me £40.

    Apparently O2 leave the line in BTs hands, but Sky don't. I don't fucking know.
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    The only people that own any line are BT, Virgin and Kingston. A few small firms have done trial runs of fibre to door, but I don't believe any are still active. If you're not on Virgin you are using BT lines (except in Kingston on Hull). If Sky said they were taking ownership the only thing they could have meant was that they were putting a stop on a previously active account at the same address. An Openworld (BT subsidiary, maintains lines) frames engineer would simply have gone to the exchange and sorted the card out

    All ADSL users (except Kingston Hull) are using BT lines, boxes, frames and exchanges
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  • Yes.  That's why I have no alternative to Virgin, because there is no BT line installed at my address and having one installed would apparently cost me the best part of £200, which I object to on principle.
  • I thought the whole point of LLU ADSL2+ was that the provider (eg Sky, Be, whoever) actually puts some of their own equipment in the exchange?
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    Don't think there is a thread for this so here we go. I'm starting college at Bristol in September and I've just moved into a shared house. No one else has moved in yet and I need some recommendations for a good ISP. Apparently most people tend to go for Virgin Media here. Many thanks for any suggestions.

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  • Don't worry swirl, they've managed to embark on one of the worst advertising campaigns ever, so we've been warned.
  • This has reminded me of how rubbish Kingston Communications used to be. They were so bad that at once stage we had AOL.
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    WorKid wrote:
    If you can get cable, then get cable.

    This.
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    Don't worry swirl, they've managed to embark on one of the worst advertising campaigns ever, so we've been warned.

    Huzzah.
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    I'm sure anyone who cares already knows this, but Virgin are offering new customers 'up to 30mb'. If you give them a ring they should upgrade you.

    Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere.
  • If you want to be wired in to your broadband for better connection but you're not near the router/hub, use one of these:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004INVKP4/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9557948109&ref=asc_df_B004INVKP4

    I have my office PC plugged in via Power Line. It's very good and works well.
  • Got new internet installed today after a wait of a few days (too long!). Last the the hub was in the wrong place (in someone's room so we couldn't reboot manually and also too far away so signal was poor), so I got them to wire it elsewhere. They wanted to charge a £50 installation fee but I haggled them to £25.

    The Super Hub 2 is apparently much better, it has two SSIDs, a 2.4GHz one and another at 5GHz, which is a pretty sick feature. Got my laptop connected to 5GHz and this is what I'm getting -

    2964216601.png

    Anywho, I've got 2 days worth of forum reading to catch up on.

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    BT have delivered an ad for BT Sport around my village on A4 card. It says:

    BT Broadband customers can watch BT Sport online at home with a minimum line speed of 400 Kbps

    You think anyone around here hits 400...
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    Do you not get good broadband by you?
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    The village with our exchange in is almost okay, 6+ Mb, but my village is another 2-3 miles away.

    A quick online check would've told BT it was pointless to leaflet this far out. A few homes on the edge of my village are possibly touching 400 Kbps at quiet times. So if anyone does join up for BT Sport online, they'll soon be complaining about the choppiness of their feed. To someone, somewhere, beyond Mozart.

    By the time casual rural Internet users realise BDUK, BT and the Government have screwed them over, it'll be too late.

    http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2013/07/18/how-bduk-bungled-britains-next-gen-broadband-rollout

    No idea where BT's going

    A long-standing criticism from BT’s potential rivals is that they have little idea of where BT plans to roll out its own fibre network, making it difficult to create a business case. If a company were to commit, say, £50m to lay fibre in an area, only for the BT vans to roll into town six months later, the chances of a return on that investment are greatly reduced. BT does provide some forward guidance on which exchanges it plans to upgrade, but we still don’t know all the areas that will be covered by its fibre rollout, or which parts of towns and cities won’t be connected.

    James suggested that if BDUK had followed the European guidelines on fibre rollouts, BT would have been forced to reveal where it plans to invest. “The one area where I have a real beef with them [BT], is that it’s still not telling us what they’re going to build where,” he said. “So the so-called 10% [that won’t get fibre under BT’s plans] is still not clear. That’s why I haven’t spent any more money.

    “If the consultation process set out in the EU rules had been properly followed then they [BT] would have to declare very clearly where they were going to build, at what speeds, and what they were going to deliver, which would have revealed the 10%.”

    Who's to blame

    James admitted that he didn’t blame BT for pressuring BDUK into lowering the NGA threshold or for keeping its rollout plans secret – it’s a business attempting to extract the maximum return for its shareholders, after all.

    Instead, he said the blame laid squarely at the feet of BDUK. “It’s the fault of the officials who allowed themselves to be lobbied. It should have been a much more robust process that shouldn’t have given in to some of that pressure.”
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    I recently read that being in a cabled area will soon add £10K to the value of properties.
  • Telstra continue to provide the worst installation service, but once set up, are golden. If I didn't have cable here I'd be straight to another provider though. Took waaaay too long to install here for various reasons.
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  • Paul the sparky
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    Struggling with my Virgin connection at the minute, it was fine today but it looks like I'm being throttled down to single figures, sometimes less than one Mb. 

    I've done a bit of Googling and Virgin claim not to throttle any download speeds anymore, there's no limit at any time of day, they only throttle the upload P2P abusers.

    I'm using Chromecast to stream stuff direct to my tv, I'd have thought that would be fine as I'm not uploading anything (am I?).

    Confused by the whole thing, I'm going to give Virgin a bell tomorrow as getting 1Mb when I'm paying for up to (key part of the contract there innit?) 152Mb is a bit lol.
  • I was getting stung by them recently. Was getting as low as 1-2 meg, 5-6 meg the usual, from a 20 meg line. Seemed like uber throttling. Now on their 100 meg and it can dip to 75-78 of an evening. I need to reacquaint myself with their policy, as I'm sure I once saw something about their higher speed lines should not be throttled and certainly not by a quarter.
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    Even during the dark days of peak time throttling, they only went as far as 16% according to this. Something is up.
  • Their forums have multiple threads of people with similar issues. Comes down to a lot of high utilization in areas, Virgin rolling out high speed lines willy nilly, but not keeping tabs on upgrading the infrastructure.
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