You don't need ice Pokemon to beat the dragon gym. For all their defence vs elec, fire, ice and water they aren't super effective vs much. The flying ones can be countered by rock.

There are a lot of pokes now yeah.to their credit they try and make it so each first run of the game forces you to only encounter and use the new Pokemon. Its as eploratory and surprising as the first games!

A few tweaks would be needed from the original, certainly, but I'm starting to wonder when we'll be seeing chocolate, marzipan, and plastic types.

I'm being unfair here, I know. But 90% of new Pokemon are awful. The original set had very few missteps.

tigerswiftly wrote:

A few tweaks would be needed from the original, certainly, but I'm starting to wonder when we'll be seeing chocolate, marzipan, and plastic types.

I'm being unfair here, I know. But 90% of new Pokemon are awful. The original set had very few missteps.

90% is certainly unfair, there are some brilliant Pokes here and there. Discovered a new fave last night in Scraggy who looks like a lizard shedding skin but (get this) he's holding his skin up like it's too-big-pants! HAHA! Genuinely believe he is brilliant.

Scraggy is a prick.

Red and Blue (Green) were a fucking mess and I don't think people really remember that through their rose tinted glasses.

Sure the ideas were all there, the concept was solid, but the game was as close to broken as is possible.

Oh, when I get back to my desk, Dive...

I remember Psychic was pretty borked in Gen 1, the best counter was (rather unintuitively) a high level Jolteon with Pin Missile, rather than any genuine Bug Type poke.

Zapdos was kinda messed up too as it was Thunder/Flying thus not weak against a lot of types. I also recall Ice Types were super powerful too, I think I beat 90% of the Elite 4 with Articuno.

Those are just off the top of my head, Fent knows a lot more about this and I'm sure many Pokevets would have similar views to the battle system as Knight and folk do about Halols.

The only 3 ghost types in Gen 1 were also dual typed with poison making them weak to the very type they were supposed to counter.

The only dragon type move was Dragon Rage, which has it's damage set at 40, meaning there were no actual moves a dragon type could have to utilise its Same Type Attack Boost.

Focus Energy didn't work. At all.

Accuracy formula was borked, meaning every attack, including swift, had a chance of missing.

The special stack hadn't been split yet, so moves like Amnesia that greatly increased the stat, raised your defense and attack at the same time making pokemon like Snorlax and Slowbro ridiculously OP.

...this is just off the top of my head.

As I say, concept good, brilliant, perfect, even. That's why they are such popular games. The kids the game was marketted to aren't going to care about this shit, obviously, but they were, by today's standards "a fucking mess" and I stand by that.

There isn't a single thing a remake couldn't fix there which seemed to be what you were replying to.

Still don't think any of those points would break the game dramatically enough to call it a mess, maybe at advanced PvP level they would become a problem which is a very small part of the game.

Oh, yeah, also critical hit calculation was based on base speed for some reason.

Fire Red and Leaf Green do not play well. At all. A remake of the originals with the various improvements in gameplay we've seen over the iterations would be excellent.

Most of the points you raise above really are small issues

EDIT: Also, REAL HAWT GFX would be nice.

tigerswiftly wrote:

A few tweaks would be needed from the original, certainly, but I'm starting to wonder when we'll be seeing chocolate, marzipan, and plastic types.

This is total bollocks though, the only time they've ever added types is when they added Dark and Steel in Generation II and that was only because of balancing issues.

I don't really understand why you think there's a pressing need for a further remake of Generation I when there's already been one and remakes of Generation II - including the region and Pokemon from Generation I - were released as recently as 2010.

I've got Soul Silver. It's very good.

Not sure where you're getting "obsession" from. I said I'd like to have seen a reboot of the originals in this new style... that's pretty much been the only mention of it. Then you started the saying the games were a mess, which I've disagreed with because YO CRAZY.

I was not being serious with the types thing, ERE, but you are right, they haven't added any since then... I felt like they had, but I guess not. I did say I was being unfair!

Who said anything about a "pressing need for it" for a reboot anyway? I would like to have seen it because I like the original roster far more than anything since. I think most Pokemon since Gold/Silver - though not all - have been pretty poorly designed and I think they've put too many into the game. There are obvious reasons for this... that doesn't mean I have to like it though.