Hulka T wrote:How do we define life? Thats the real crux of it.
Bless. I love your first sentence. And can't help but agree with the second. I'm probably showing my ignorance re the third. I'm not aware of "cancer" analogies. I've heard parasite analogies. As far as what's going on biologically, it seems a reasonable enough kind of comparison, or at least more an accurate reflection of how pregnancy works, but I can see how it's possibly not constructive.ChattinWithChet wrote:I think as with the recent problems with women rights vs Catholic overlords, the issue for me is that fuzzy ideas about souls or sexual morality from corrupt celibate rapists is not the way for any society to decide on where the line should be. I do think the individual is key, and that activity within somebody's body should be about as far from state intervention as possible. But that doesn't mean that I think having a baby should be treated flippantly, or with comparisons to cancer or some such. That's battle language--like a lot of the arguments around Gay marriage re: born like this--and reduces the complexities in an unhelpful way. It does people like Savita Halappanavar, and the many people who battle with the choice, a disservice.
mistercrayon wrote:What about some coma dude? Should we kill them because they lack both sentience and self awareness?!
I think its a tricky one but with abortion its fairly acceptable to me to destroy some cells. The worry is when do those cells become a baby? Surely 15 mins before birth is too late but where is the switchover?
This has always baffled me a tad. It shouldn't fucking matter if you choose to be a gay long after the fact of your birth or not. Like the "We are born this way" argument with gay rights
I know. I understand why it was done, as a tactical move to battle religious privilege by also making claims about what God thinks one way or the other about Gays. If he made them, then your argument is compromised, forcing the move into the horrendous circular nettles of the Problem of Evil defense. But in doing so you're tacitly confirming that an individual can't rightly choose to be with a person of their own sex, which is just batshit crazy.Brooks wrote:This has always baffled me a tad. It shouldn't fucking matter if you choose to be a gay long after the fact of your birth or not. Like the "We are born this way" argument with gay rights
Fentonizer wrote:I think, to be fair, most of the inconsitencies stem from my response to what gives life value, which I personally found to be the hardest question to justify my response. I flip-flopped for a while on that one.
"But it's not natural!!" yuh well neither is the automobile, brain surgery or ketchup.
Facewon wrote:Fentonizer wrote:I think, to be fair, most of the inconsitencies stem from my response to what gives life value, which I personally found to be the hardest question to justify my response. I flip-flopped for a while on that one.
Damn fents, they paid out on you!
tbf, on the whole miscarriage thing, it's not like those numbers are widely reported.
I read somewhere a while back they were developing an injection that would block your sperm tubes with some kind of gell effectively giving you a vasectomy then when you wanted rid you just popped a pill to dissolve it. Sounded like a great idea to me.Brooks wrote:Side-note: Where the fuck is the male pill? It's 2013.
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