optimark_prime wrote:

Tempy wrote:

Well if I get in to Uni then i'm out of the game until at least 30, we'll see I guess.

I was 36 when Imogen was born (38 for Caitlin).

Ill be 37 with this one.

mk64 wrote:

Tempy wrote:

So is the gist of this that because some people take advantage of the system, those that the system benefits just shouldn't have kids?

Or am I being too reductive with your opinion?"

Sasukekun wrote:

Bit harsh to be honest Kart.
If we all thought like that, then only the rich would have kids.

Also this, or as it is sometimes known, Class Eugenics.

No, i'm saying
A) That I dont see why companies should compensate people for having kids. I dont think the government really should either.
The current system allows for abuse. Which also takes me back to A).

Nick, i'm not saying that only rich people should have kids. I'm saying that i dont agree with people who are poor and can't afford to support their child who then have 3. I'm more referring to people in countries where the result is death of a child as opposed to not getting an Xbox for Christmas.

Also Revel, do you get child benefit from the government? (obv dont have to answer that) but thats 100 a month or something.. so thats 1200 a year.. so thats the equivelent of more than a few days work and thats every year.. some people get that when they dont even need it.

It is a difficult line to toe though, IMO. The support is there for good reason, any system will be open to some kind of abuse. What about a person who can afford, with support, to have one child? Should they not be allowed due to the people willing to abuse the system? what if the job that they work in is low paid and due to lack of Economic Growth the salary won't increase for the next X years due to pay freezes? Should they just get a better a job?

I know plenty of people who do what I consider to be noble and integeral work in care and such who would find life a whole lot tougher without the current financial support (not just no Xbox tougher). I am just arguing the cause here, not because its you or owt, just because I think havng a child is a primarily biological function that women should be allowed to fulfill if they choose to.

About the income support too, some people do get it who don't need it. Surely a better thing to do is redistribute that support that those earning £50k+ to those in the lower band of 16-20k so that they can have kids if they choose to? I am feeling out of my depth here now anyway, I'm not having a go and I agree about scroungers but I don't think you can just say 'no support for you, get a better job before having a kid' especially if someone is doing a worthy job for shit pay, something that happens frequently.

Kinda agree on the LEDCs though, but implementing some sort of cap to child production seems rather draconian.


Feel free to ignore all this brain to keyboard waffle.

No offense here, was just arguing the buck.

The main reason I split with my ex (outside the actual, genuine diagnosed mentalness) was her insistence that she wanted a child despite the fact we were totally unprepared for one in any way, least of all financially.

Tempy wrote:

Sterling loin work folks. Your kids all appear to be thoroughly awesome and I can personally atest to the brilliance of Niamh - I was made into her sweet buying bitch. Blows my mind a little though, I cannot see myself ever having kids.

She definitely knows how to get what she wants. It's amazing how clever they get.

I never saw myself having kids until I met Elm. Sometimes you just need to meet the right person.

g.man wrote:

I didn't know you'd been diagnosed as being mental.

you hide it well

g.man

Hey what

Forgot to unplug my Xbox.

Elliot leant on the disc tray, now it won't go back in.

Oh dear.

Oh dear. Going to have to get locks on cupboards mate.

regards

g.man

Arrrrr!

Ahahaha! That's brilliant Matty. You still living in Bristol mate?

regards

g.man

Isaac is 3 years old today.  And what better way to celebrate your birthday than watching Fireman Sam in your underpants whilst playing with your new toys?

Thanks guys.

g.man wrote:

Ahahaha! That's brilliant Matty. You still living in Bristol mate? regards g.man

I am indeed Mr G.

is that a scooby do truck (the green one?)

mk64 wrote:

is that a scooby do truck (the green one?)

don't be ridiculous, its clearly Mike the Plumbers van from fireman sam.

Good stuff. I'll drop you some info in a couple of weeks.

cheers

g.man