superflyninja wrote:It was terrible but at least it was fun.
I too dont want to get drawn into the weeds on a TLJ fight.Yossarian wrote:That’s some next level Last Jedi hate right there. The problems with 9 were all of Abrams’ making. It’s not like he didn’t spend the first 15 minutes of the film negating practically everything that happened in 8, everything from that point on was all on him and was fucking terrible.9 is terrible but it almosts gets a free pass from me cos i blame 8 for breaking the story completely such that i didn't care and don't think there's anyway 9 could have been good.
Yeah agree on the upending expectations bit, he certainly did that. Ive no problem with that actually, its just I felt his execution was waaaay below par. Its like he wanted to reinvent SW a bit but had no good ideas to reinvent it with.Yossarian wrote:I thought it was a decently entertaining romp and I enjoyed the upending of expectations that suggested that there could be more to these new films than simply retreading story beats from the originals.
Yup.Matt_82 wrote:Had 8 been good, I would have cared enough to be annoyed about 9. But as 8 killed all my enthusiasm, I didn't give a single shit about 9 and still don't. I barely remember a thing about it. It's a fleeting memory like any other generic action flick.
9 may or may not be better or worse than 8 but 8 made sure I don't care either way.
Matt_82 wrote:Had 8 been good, I would have cared enough to be annoyed about 9. But as 8 killed all my enthusiasm, I didn't give a single shit about 9 and still don't. I barely remember a thing about it. It's a fleeting memory like any other generic action flick.
9 may or may not be better or worse than 8 but 8 made sure I don't care either way.
One thing I liked is it still recycled a bunch of plot points from the OT but, unlike Force Awakens, put enough of a twist on them so they felt new.Yossarian wrote:I thought it was a decently entertaining romp and I enjoyed the upending of expectations that suggested that there could be more to these new films than simply retreading story beats from the originals.
I thought it was 'cus that Fantastic Four director turned out to be a flake.RedDave2 wrote:It's fair to say that 9 being shit is part of the fallout from 8 though. It wasn't meant to be jj directing (right?) So he was scrambled in to save the day. The issues he addressed, yes he made a turd sandwich from but going by comments here , I figure he was right in trying to appease the main fan base. FA is fine as a movie so he could have done better if he didn't feel he had to do so much damage repair and in such a short space of time.
Sounds right to me. The more hardcore, the more likely you are to hate it. Mind you I've seen some dedicated Star Wars YouTubers who liked it.RedDave2 wrote:Would it be fair to say that in general non stars wars fans liked last jedi and star wars fans didn't?
Frosty wrote:Glad you all don't care enough to have this argument again
RedDave2 wrote:Would it be fair to say that in general non stars wars fans liked last jedi and star wars fans didn't?
superflyninja wrote:I too dont want to get drawn into the weeds on a TLJ fight. But can you tell me what is it about TLJ that you really liked? Im not having a go Im genuinely curious.
Sorry Frosty.....Frosty wrote:Glad you all don't care enough to have this argument again
...but it's comments like this that always make it a 'fun' thing to discuss again. Cos for me I feel like Yoss (and i'm not meaning this to diss his opinion) saw a different film to me. It's quite interesting/confusing for me to try to understand what others saw.Yossarian wrote:I thought it was a decently entertaining romp and I enjoyed the upending of expectations that suggested that there could be more to these new films than simply retreading story beats from the originals.
No I dont think so. I knew a guy at my last job that was even more entrenched in SW than Ill ever be and he LOVED TLJ.RedDave2 wrote:Would it be fair to say that in general non stars wars fans liked last jedi and star wars fans didn't?
I mainly became fascinated with TLJ because of the reaction to it. Watching loads of YouTube videos trying to figure out how people could have such a wide range of strong opinions. Ended up noticing loads of stuff I didn't pick up on the first time round.RamSteelwood wrote:It's quite interesting/confusing for me to try to understand what others saw.
I know the Holdo manoeuvre breaks all Star Wars, but what's wrong with the chase?tin_robot wrote:The slow speed chase through space makes little sense when thought about too hard.
Yossarian wrote:Apparently this is the entirety of Snoke’s scenes in TFA.
I really don’t think that the argument that his death in the second film made a decent third film impossible holds much weight.
RamSteelwood wrote:Sorry Frosty.....Frosty wrote:Glad you all don't care enough to have this argument again...but it's comments like this that always make it a 'fun' thing to discuss again. Cos for me I feel like Yoss (and i'm not meaning this to diss his opinion) saw a different film to me. It's quite interesting/confusing for me to try to understand what others saw.Yossarian wrote:I thought it was a decently entertaining romp and I enjoyed the upending of expectations that suggested that there could be more to these new films than simply retreading story beats from the originals.
For me...clearly it wasn't what i would have expected, but i don't get this 'it did new and exciting things with the franchise'. nearly all the major elements of the film are ripped from Empire (and a bit from Jedi), and the rest is padded out with a boring space chase, bad attempts at humour and stupidity from certain characters.
so yeah, it subverted my expectations in that i felt it didnt really follow up on the threads from TFA, or set up anything exciting for the third film. But there was nothing about it that made me think "oh my god i didn't expect that could happen in a star wars movie"
This sums it up nicely i reckon.monkey wrote:But I don’t want to get hung up on Snoke. It’s all bad. The first film was bad, the second threw a load of it out and didn’t replace it with anything, and the third film threw out what little was left, partly I’m sure, out of spite for the first throwing out, and because it was rubbish.
I really enjoyed it on first watch. I agree it did a good job of getting that star wars feeling back after the prequels. However on repeat viewings I think it falls apart due to the number of ridiculous coincidences for things to come together....plus it's made worse by TLJ killing off most of the interesting additons. Even if they were just smoke and mirrors to distract from the 'soft reboot'...once they've been stripped away as pointless i think it makes the rest of the film less interesting and watchable.RedDave2 wrote:I'm surprised that there isnt so much love for Force Awakens. Yes its a re-jig of New Hope but I still though it was a very solid blockbuster. After the BS of the prequels I think it was the perfect follow up in many respects.
Yes.Yossarian wrote:Wow, what else did TLJ ruin for you? The original trilogy? Star Trek? The feeling of sun in your skin? The sound of a child’s laughter?
The chase was totally unexciting, lacked suspense and it left so many plot holes. For example, it allowed Finn and Rose to go off on a duff side quest somewhere. Given that was possible they could have hired a bus and removed people from the ships bit by bit. Also Finn and Rose could go on their side quest without interference from tie fighters etc. Also the rebel fleet could have hyperspaced to Coruscant or wherever the Republic seat of power was or even to a republic military outpost. Yeah Kylo could follow but he would be following into the midst of the republic. There are so many things that could have gone down and yet the most boring option was taken. The space chase was a terribly contrived scenario and was just not believable(yes, yes I know) at all.Little Franklin wrote:I mainly became fascinated with TLJ because of the reaction to it. Watching loads of YouTube videos trying to figure out how people could have such a wide range of strong opinions. Ended up noticing loads of stuff I didn't pick up on the first time round.It's quite interesting/confusing for me to try to understand what others saw.I know the Holdo manoeuvre breaks all Star Wars, but what's wrong with the chase?The slow speed chase through space makes little sense when thought about too hard.
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