There are also more millionaires than ever yoss. More people are becoming rich.

Dante. Do I really have to explain?

JonB. I disagree totally. Feel free to give me an example. Yours if its the case.

mk64 wrote:

Dante. Do I really have to explain?

Yes.

FANKS DS.

@DS

Even the newbs who you barely know?

Jacuzzi_Jackson wrote:

@DS Even the newbs who you barely know?

Even the spambots.

@Gonz, I'll be knee deep in porn star cunt and weed for a good solid month or so.

mk64 wrote:

Tempy wrote:

I have no anecdotal evidence of millionaires. I would like to meet one and ask them what their life is like.

Just log in to twitter.

If you read what I wrote yesterday I didn't say twitter was the only reason. Sure I didn't expand exhaustively on what I meant by 'the life of the rich is more open' (in context of the super rich like Tammy) but do you really need me to?

What exactly have I done that has riled you so much that you feel the need to act so indignant towards me across multiple threads?

Tempy. I've nothing against you personally. My reaction is based on my previous point. You have a lot to say about millionaires lifestyles for someone who has admitted he doesn't know a single one.

I can infer a decent amount of how socialites operate from the evidence presented to me via various sources, yes. Why single me out here? Everyone has done this at some point, unless you've only ever formed an opinion of someone by knowing 100% of their life inside and out. Yesterday I clarified repeatedly 'some' which is quantifiably not 'all' of them.

More importantly i've never stated it's objective, merely subjective.

Gonz, my personal situation is not that relevant to the discussion.

Hypothetically, with consolidation going on in various sectors, reduction in cost of production through tech and innovation those at the top of the various behemoths are likely to be controlling a greater share of the market for whatever it is their business is doing and therefore receiving a bigger piece of the pie.

I'd like somebody to give a proper example have how hard work (and no luck) makes you succeed? I worked fucking hard for years where I barely saw my family and missed out on a lot of my daughter's first things. Am I successful now? Am I fuck whereas my boss who had the business handed down to him and treats everybody like a cunt is deemed to be successful.

I'd love to change career but it is virtually impossible for me to do at this moment in time due to a multitude of things, my finances and location being 2 of the main things...

mk64 wrote:

Yoss. Quite happy to say that the uk has a lot of people who play the system rather than better themselves. There are lots of jobs out there right now. The reason people don't have those jobs is because they don't have the qualifications or ability. Last I looked schooling is free and upto recently university was on loan from the government.

You've basically walked into a thread full of people who bemoan the fact the less well off are blamed for their situation, and blamed the less well off for their situation.

No surprise to see this thread move along so quickly.

I'll refrain from making a contribution right now (if at all).

As some of this has stumbled into the realm of anecdote, here's mine.

I had a nice cosy middle class background, and went to a state school just down the road.  I was relatively studious (certainly compared to most of my peers) and hoped to go to Med School.  Come A levels, and I didn't have anywhere near the grades I needed.  Luckily for me I had two things in my favour.  Firstly I'd had meningitis earlier that year, offering a convenient "explanation" for my grades to Universities.  It's probably worth pausing to point out however that in reality I achieved the highest grade in my maths class that year - an E, which leads me to conclude it wasn't so much the meningitis as the education. 

The second factor?  A combination of a financial windfall, and parents with savings meant that I could go to a crammer in London, where they quite simply taught me how to get an A.  As a result, I got the grades I needed, and off I went to medical school.

The difference in the education I recieved was eye opening.  This isn't to say my original school was shit.  They taught me a hell of a lot about the subjects in question.  The other place however, taught me what I needed to say to pass an exam.  Had my parents not been able to afford to buy me that second chance, there's no way I would have ended up being a doctor - and that's coming from a position of relative affluence to start with. 

We don't all have identical opportunities.  A lot of my school friends didn't make it to sixth form - their parents needed them to get out and work as soon as possible, so they did.  A number of them were, frankly, considerably smarter than I am, but thanks to the realities they were used to, their aspirations were smaller, and their opportunities smaller still.

People assume that because they worked hard and have done well, the secret to success is working hard.  It helps, sure, but it's far from everything.  I know people who are extraordinarily rich, but so dim witted and ineffectual I wouldn't leave them in charge of a fridge.  I know others who work solidly, often juggling multiple jobs who have, by western terms at least, nothing.

You can read?

mk64 wrote:

I have no anecdotal evidence of millionaires. I would like to meet one and ask them what their life is like.

Just log in to twitter. Dante. People from broken homes are going to have a more disruptive upbringing so will find it harder to achieve.

Someone I know who had a very disruptive upbringing is the best example I have of social mobilty.

Divorced parents from an early age. Mother with mental disease. Grew up in a run down area of sub-urban Northern city. Cared for their sibs. Rode uni from graduate all the way to PhD on a shoe string. Now lives in Seattle and is a scientist.

They moans about their predicament, somehow. I should tell them what they are.