Fentonizer wrote:

But do you not think, Roujin, that just by saying "Boys will be boys" is a bit of a cop-out answer?

Shouldn't we instead be looking at why people make, buy and enjoy these games? Looking at society's bias towards games where women are never portrayed as more than objects to be saved with a guaranteed reward of affection/sex.

And I will not accept the answer “it’s what sells games.” That is a fallacy. Of course in a society that doesn’t question these values, and in fact promotes them, these games are going to rise to the top.

I'm saying that not every game ever made is about ridiculous charicatures of men rescuing ridiculous charicatures of women. Im not saying that all games are tits and ass because they aren't.

What i am saying is that i can understand how a lot if these games obtain their 'flavour' because most of the time its teams of men making all the design decisions.

I don't approve of it, I already pointed out it was fairly juvenile, but as others have said, this is a juvenile medium, although perhaps literature and film aren't all that different, just look at the summer 'blockbuster' flicks, invariably all action films about ridiculous men with token hawt female roles scattered liberally about. They get up to some ridiculous antics and lots of people get shot or things blow up.

People are talking as though all games portray women as being sex objects or requiring saving with the promise of getting your end away. I say they are full of shit. Those games exist, but jesus fuck they are not the majority. Unless we are not including all sports, racing, simulation, puzzle, platforming, or sandbox games like Minecraft and similar ilk.

Diet coke adverts anyone?

Brooks is a misogynist.

AND EQUALITY DROOLS!

Because the depictions of most male game characters is as ridiculous as female characters.

Some people argued that its not just the women that are being misrepresented. While we were on the subject of misrepresentation.

It degenerated into male focus because obv we do not regard the discussion of wiminz game character rights as important, because we are all male chauvinist pigs.

There wasn't much else to talk about after we all agreed that women in games get treated like shite, so...

How many hermaphrodites are there in games?

The Time Crisis guys are hermaphrodites.

All my created characters are hermaphrodites except Dark Souls guy who I suspect isn't human.

The bird from Nier is supposed to be a hermy.

She looks like your standard T&A though

If the world map includes different zooming out camera shots of the granny's orifices I don't see why not.

Kojima must have been fighting the good fight when he told Konami execs what he was going to end up doing with Raiden at the end of MGS 2.

Isn't the arguement that says "but all men are stereotyped in games too" redundant because they are for the most part represented better?

It's redundant because a lot of men dig on that shit, and its purpose is not stereotyping that appeals to women. False equivalency arguments are the fuck.

That's the explanation I was grasping for. I am feeling ropey from last night. Also I talked about Ryu's buttcheeks so I win. GO WIN ME.

Shor-glutean!