poprock wrote:Blue Swirl wrote:I don't care what symbol is in front of the number that means Monies, as long as the number of Monies I have in my bank account is the correct one. Call them Quatloos for all I fucking care.
What they’re called isn’t the issue though. It’s about how much one currency is worth against others, and what one pound or one euro actually buys you. You’ll have the right amount of monies in your bank account, but things might cost you more monies to buy.
poprock wrote:I see it as spreading risk. Collectively the currency is more stable. Whereas Big Dave would like to have a separate currency so that UK Plc are able to bet the farm on occasional big wins because that’s how investment banking works. Right?
equinox_code wrote:If we leave Europe does Michael Gove get to choose our human rights?
djchump wrote:I think if we leave the EU we'll finally be able todeportdecapitate the cunt, surely?
Norway doesn't pay billions to be part of the EU, does more trade with it than UK does, and doesn't have to comply with its fishing laws. There are more ups than downs for them.poprock wrote:Brilliant piece here from Dr Andy Williamson. He’s an EU analyst, critic and adviser. Does a good job of explaining what happens in various democratic bodies (EU included) in layman’s terms. Here, he takes the most common misconceptions and pro-exit arguments, and debunks them. I’m going to link and then quote a bit from the intro and conclusion. http://www.andywilliamson.com/10-points-to-consider-about-brexit-and-the-eu-referendum/Essentially, an exit from the EU would leave us with all the disadvantages of still being a member, but none of the power to vote on changing them. Like Norway. And it would add a whole lot of new and exciting disadvantages on top.We’re about to be inundated with a lot of pointless noise. If the pre-whining is anything to go by, most of it will be wrong. Frankly (as you might have gathered), I’d like the whole thing to just go away. It’s a pointless debate detracting us from things that really matter (like reforming the EU for the modern age or tax avoiding global corporations). In short, the idea of leaving the EU is somewhere between bat-shit crazy and economic suicide. Perhaps the most depressing thing is that this referendum, and an entire country’s future, is at risk of being decided through ignorance. Ignorance led by mis-information and a false sense of identity that fails to grasp that this is 2016, not 1816. We’re being fed a diet of half-truths and outright lies based on short-termism when the real issues are not just complex but fundamental to our economic and geopolitical future.
IanHamlett wrote:Norway doesn't pay billions to be part of the EU, does more trade with it than UK does, and doesn't have to comply with its fishing laws. There are more ups than downs for them.
I'm not sure that it works as a comparison at all, but it is interesting to note just how much they've had to to accept in order to have access to the free market, and that's coming from a much stronger bargaining position than we'll have.IanHamlett wrote:I'm not holding Norway up as an example of what UK would be outside of EU, but I don't think it works as a cautionary tale either.
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