DID IT MATTER?

You took control of the reapers. The only way them saying you am virual unlimited damyeah is better is if you absolutely couldnt live with the idea that Shepherd had ceased to exist and gave up his life entirely so that his energy could be used to control the repears (somehow).

Which is what happened to Saren. 

So given that originally in the final section of the game you had the impression somethign fishy was going on, do you not feel that the fact that Bioware have now made it clear that 'all this stuff actually happens exactly as it is described, there is nothing else going on' to be somewhat farcical?

They replaced something that gave people pause for thought and had them questionning the motives of the starchild and the content of the entire previous scene with a blanket statement of 'Nope, you space am Jesus, everyone lives happy ever after' in the Control scenario.

It appears to be the story writing equivalent of a full frontal lobotomy.

MattyJ wrote:

You need to load the Legacy save that was created after you finished the game.

I was able to go from the 'restart mission' save right before the beam, and see the new stuff.

I'll answer for him.

Gonzo wrote:

Little Franklin wrote:

Why's control abhorrent?

Read the fucking thread.

I still haven't seen the endings, but I'm not liking what I'm reading. I really liked the indoctrination theory. Completely ruling it out is a kick in the balls.

I just watched the low EMS Destroy and Control endings.

Roujin wrote:

MattyJ wrote:

Being able to talk to the Starchild and get more of an explanation about everything is better though.

Apart from when he tells you he was controlling the illusive man.

But Shep figured that out anyway.

That doesn't make sense as why would they let him destroy them/control them?

MattyJ wrote:

That doesn't make sense as why would they let him destroy them/control them?

It's all a dream! 

With voiceovers and exposition.

Gonzo wrote:

Little Franklin wrote:

Why's control abhorrent?

Just a few minutes earlier you're getting TIM to shoot his brains out over the entire issue. Not enough work went into establishing its credibility- indeed, quite the opposite. My shep always tends to be a paragon, but even a renegade shep seems to argue heart and soul against TIM's delusion.

Well at that point there's no reason to think TIM is right, there is no evidence he can control them. That plus the fact he's been messing with dangerous Reaper tech and seems to have been constantly fighting the good guys leads Shep to think TIM's indoctrinated and therefore wrong.

Proved his worth to who? The starchild ai was not even functional until the crucible was operational. That only leaves the Reapers, why would they be testing shep to see if he is worthy to control them?

BECAUSE THEY COPPED OUT ON THE INDOC THEORY AS A DECENT EXPLANATION OF EVENTS AND ARE NOW LEFT WITH THE NONSENSICAL END SEQUENCE THEY APPARENTLY INTENTIONALLY WANTED.

THE STUPID CUNTS.

Little Franklin wrote:

monkey wrote:

Why has shep changed his mind about control in the space of 5 minutes having made 2 people commit suicide over being on the wrong side of the issue before?

2 people? Shep didn't believe it was wrong to try and control the Reapers, she just didn't have any reason to believe it was possible.

Saren from the first game. TIM from 3.

Little Franklin wrote:

Well at that point there's no reason to think TIM is right, there is no evidence he can control them.

The Reaper attack on Sanctuary always seemed too logical to me. It seemed like the Reapers were cutting a problem in the bud in that their indoctrinated minion was actually getting dangerously close to unlocking a secret.

Roujin wrote:

do you not feel that the fact that Bioware have now made it clear that 'all this stuff actually happens exactly as it is described, there is nothing else going on' to be somewhat farcical?

What's changed exactly? Weren't the old endings just supposed to be going on in Shep's head, can't the new endings just be the same?

I never thought it was ever just in his head.