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    Leaking like a sieve.

    Surely it's all over now.
    Holding the wrong end of the stick since 2009.
  • He probably emailed that plan to the very officials he needs to implemented.
  • What an utter cunt
    Not everything is The Best or Shit. Theres many levels between that, lets just enjoy stuff.
  • That looked fun in still photos, but did you watch the video? Pathetic, unfortunately.
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    BREAKING: Boris Johnson went to stay in a second home during a ban on non-essential travel
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19849811.boris-carrie-johnson-went-chequers-non-essential-travel-ban/
  • poprock wrote:
    That looked fun in still photos, but did you watch the video? Pathetic, unfortunately.

    I only have one news source.
  • MOAR
    No 10 staff held ‘wine-time Fridays’ throughout pandemic with Boris Johnson regularly witnessing the gatherings.

    Sources say PM encouraged aides to "let off steam" despite indoor socialising being banned under lockdown rules.

    staff bought a £142 fridge to store wine, Prosecco & beer

    aides visited local Tesco metro with wheely suitcase to stock 34-bottle capacity fridge

    PM attended “handful” of the gatherings when indoor socialising banned - but witnessed more.

    “He would come in and say ‘Hello everyone, had a hard week? Letting off some steam? Oh great’.

    “The idea he didn’t know there were drinks is total nonsense."
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-wine-time-fridays-25951853
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    monkey wrote:
    MOAR
    BREAKING: Boris Johnson went to stay in a second home during a ban on non-essential travel
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19849811.boris-carrie-johnson-went-chequers-non-essential-travel-ban/

    This one seems like a bit of a non story. Carrie travelled because she was pregnant and needed to minimise social contact, which she wasn't able to do at downing Street. It may well just be a convenient excuse but one that most will find reasonable.

    There is enough genuine muck to take through that there's no need to try and go for everything.
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    Yeah but people mostly read the headlines in their social feed. Seed sown. Job done.
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    Excellent.
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    It's not beyond the realm of possibility that she doesn't know about mobile data, and thinks you need a WiFi connection to access the internet.

    I sometimes have to walk to a local park with my mobile, so it's possible to be cut off down here if a phone's all you have. I've had to walk up my street repeating hellos a few times.

    Dorries is lying about it, just sayin'.
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    But it's got nothing to do with "WiFi".
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    Unless you're relying on your mobile because you've no access to it. If you're gonna use an excuse, use a good one.
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    My point is, WiFi isn't the internet. You can have excellent WiFi connection and still have no internet.
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    My point is, WiFi isn't the internet. You can have excellent WiFi connection and still have no internet.

    ....says poor Pea 200 times a week to reception staff at Medical centres.... :(

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    Oh right, yeah. Happens to me every now and then.
  • So Savage Javid's brother Ravage Javid heads up Covid policing at the Met and it's a small clue as the why the Met won't do its job..
    Sometimes here. Sometimes Lurk. Occasionally writes a bad opinion then deletes it before posting..
  • I totally agree and I don't expect anything to happen with the reports at all.
    Sometimes here. Sometimes Lurk. Occasionally writes a bad opinion then deletes it before posting..
  • The problem is the Met’s rationale has been inconsistent. They’ve moved from

    1 - We don’t investigate historical breaches.
    to
    2 - Insufficient evidence to investigate
    then finally
    3 - We will wait until details of potential crimes have been handed to us by the potential perpetrators before taking this further.

    I agree with Andy that 1) is sensible and fine in ordinary circumstances (which these aren’t).

    2) would be fine if it were true. 3) definitely isn’t.

    I’d be surprised if it was a Javid bros. stitch up though. More likely Downing St and the Met have managed to involve themselves together in the same crimes. So, the Met has a vested interest in hoping they successfully sweep it under the carpet. Because if they investigate, surely what they’re going to find is their own officers were turning a blind eye to criminality and, arguably, assisting it.
  • I don’t blame any officers involved. What were they realistically going to do? Make arrests and end their career? Whistle-blow and end their career? Report it to someone at the Met and end their career? Most people haven’t given a shit about the blatant corruption, hypocrisy and behaviour of the government. How did they know this would be different if they made a stand.
  • Currently I don't expect anything to happen to Boris either in relation to the Met or internal investigations and I totally expect two or three people to be sacked instead.
    I've no doubt Boris believes he can ride this out unless the 1922 get rid. He literally believes he's done nothing wrong as I'm sure he's justified it in his head. Let's face it, he realised he could disrespect the Queen without consequence.
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  • The only hope for Bohnson and the semi-officially named (by the man himself!) Operation Save Big Dog, is that enough of his crazed / deluded / tricked / bribed / dependent supporters accept the whitewash Mueller style report we’re going to get from an entrenched, interested party cabOffice official.

    At worst this report will criticise behaviours and decisions and maybe even culture without any sanctions. It cannot be criminal and it cannot be ministerial code, both are out of remit and responsibility of investigator Gray. You’re only going to get the output not the actual investigation contents so no extra details on parties, and the only individuals sanctioned will be those specifically earmarked as human shields for the PM

    So ministers and senior officials will be able to point at that and say “exonerated but we’re sorry anyway” (even though the report will not exonerate, it will simply not judge, again as per Mueller “statement of the facts ma’am” approach) and then it’s fingers crossed that draws the line they desperately need

    What do you think: inevitable toothless report to finish this chapter or too much of the public will see through it?
  • A. I think the public have made their minds up. Very few will have their minds changed now regardless of what the report says.

    B. The report will probably tell us nothing we don't already know. It will be ambiguous and open to interpretation on work vs party.

    C. The Met won't investigate it because it won't have anything concrete to investigate. Beyond what they are already refusing to investigate.

    D. Johnson passes his own sentence
    That is the system unfortunately (Labour must pledge to change this). So the report could say he is the devil incarnate he isnt going to do anything beyond apologising "that the report found rules were broken".

    E. All future reports won't be worth wiping your arse with in the public's eye.

    F. This is the bit I am unsure of. Will the Tories see that damage is done or are they so lost as to continue sticking with Johnson. Its a long time until an election and there is shit they can stick to him leaving the election runner clean(or cleaner, still grubby as fuck).
  • One problem is that they’ve done the marking Their own homework trick before and it really bit them in the arse so I’m not sure a second round of it will be painless.
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    The report will detail "steps the party needs to take" as a way of acknowledgement but also absolution of blame.

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