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bad_hair_day

Yossarian wrote:

Hard to tell as Tesla refuses to provide numbers, unlike its competitors.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timabansal/2021/05/13/how-green-is-tesla-really/

As with most Tesla headlines there is a balance. From the article:

“ Granted, even though Tesla does not disclose the specifics of its carbon emissions, it has disrupted the auto sector’s reliance on combustion engines. And the company is seeking not to just move a single part of the transportation industry, but the entire transportation and energy ecosystem.”

For example, Tesla provides both businesses and homeowners an opportunity to generate solar energy through solar panels and store them in a Powerwall battery. Tesla also claims to be seeking to extend its battery life and ensure they are recycled responsibly. Remarkably, it has also opened up its patents—a bold move in an industry that works hard to protect its intellectual capital in order to capitalize on research-and-development investments.”

GooberTheHat

drumbeg wrote:

Going off topic now, but I'm stunned at how many people think that EV is the answer to all and shout it from the rooftops.

How about not subsidising Elon's Boring Tesla tunnel and investing in public transport instead?

How about investment in more cycling infrastructure?

Maybe replacing our old cars with newer EV cars isn't the answer.

Replacing private cars with self driving EV subscription taxi services is the answer.

bad_hair_day

Goobs, as you probably know, is quite close to becoming reality.

drumbeg

Close, but will never be reality.

bad_hair_day

I’ll take that bet!

Diluted Dante

GooberTheHat wrote:

drumbeg wrote:

Going off topic now, but I'm stunned at how many people think that EV is the answer to all and shout it from the rooftops. How about not subsidising Elon's Boring Tesla tunnel and investing in public transport instead? How about investment in more cycling infrastructure? Maybe replacing our old cars with newer EV cars isn't the answer.

Replacing private cars with self driving EV subscription taxi services is the answer.

Replacing cars with excellent public transport is the answer.

Yossarian

bad_hair_day wrote:

Yossarian wrote:

Hard to tell as Tesla refuses to provide numbers, unlike its competitors.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timabansal/2021/05/13/how-green-is-tesla-really/

As with most Tesla headlines there is a balance. From the article:

“ Granted, even though Tesla does not disclose the specifics of its carbon emissions, it has disrupted the auto sector’s reliance on combustion engines. And the company is seeking not to just move a single part of the transportation industry, but the entire transportation and energy ecosystem.”

For example, Tesla provides both businesses and homeowners an opportunity to generate solar energy through solar panels and store them in a Powerwall battery. Tesla also claims to be seeking to extend its battery life and ensure they are recycled responsibly. Remarkably, it has also opened up its patents—a bold move in an industry that works hard to protect its intellectual capital in order to capitalize on research-and-development investments.”

What’s any of that got to do with the answer to the original question about how much carbon is saved by not producing 100,000 cars?

GooberTheHat

Diluted Dante wrote:

GooberTheHat wrote:

drumbeg wrote:

Going off topic now, but I'm stunned at how many people think that EV is the answer to all and shout it from the rooftops. How about not subsidising Elon's Boring Tesla tunnel and investing in public transport instead? How about investment in more cycling infrastructure? Maybe replacing our old cars with newer EV cars isn't the answer.

Replacing private cars with self driving EV subscription taxi services is the answer.

Replacing cars with excellent public transport is the answer.

Excellent public transport is part of the answer, particularly in large urban areas. But as soon as you get outside those large urban the number of people who can be effectively and conveniently serviced by public transport without the cost becoming prohibitive diminishes rapidly. So the need for bespoke private transport is never going to go away.

Unlikely

Wait, Goobs isn't real?

GooberTheHat

The whole "100,000 cars not produced" thing seems silly to me. Let's not pretend that those cars not being produced means less new cars were purchased. They were just purchased from somewhere else, or will be purchased at a later date. If someone's in the market for a new car they will buy one, so those 100,000 cars not being produced this year (or last) makes no difference to the total number of cars that will be produced in the next 10/20 years.

poprock

Unlikely wrote:

Wait, Goobs isn't real?

We’re through the looking glass now, folks.

GooberTheHat

Unlikely wrote:

Wait, Goobs isn't real?

As in am I being serious?

Unlikely

bad_hair_day wrote:

Goobs, as you probably know, is quite close to becoming reality.

GooberTheHat

Ah.

GooberTheHat

I am almost self aware

g.man

I was not aware of that.

bad_hair_day

Yossarian wrote:

bad_hair_day wrote:

Yossarian wrote:

Hard to tell as Tesla refuses to provide numbers, unlike its competitors.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timabansal/2021/05/13/how-green-is-tesla-really/

As with most Tesla headlines there is a balance. From the article:

“ Granted, even though Tesla does not disclose the specifics of its carbon emissions, it has disrupted the auto sector’s reliance on combustion engines. And the company is seeking not to just move a single part of the transportation industry, but the entire transportation and energy ecosystem.”

For example, Tesla provides both businesses and homeowners an opportunity to generate solar energy through solar panels and store them in a Powerwall battery. Tesla also claims to be seeking to extend its battery life and ensure they are recycled responsibly. Remarkably, it has also opened up its patents—a bold move in an industry that works hard to protect its intellectual capital in order to capitalize on research-and-development investments.”

What’s any of that got to do with the answer to the original question about how much carbon is saved by not producing 100,000 cars?

If their mission is transport by sustainable energy it’s not a stretch to say being carbon neutral as possible would be the aim.

There is also town and city pollution to consider.

Yossarian

Yeah, not convinced that’s Musk’s mission, TBH.

Diluted Dante

Musks mission is to try and impress teenage edgelords.

g.man

I think his real mission is just to make all the money.

poprock

g.man wrote:

I think his real mission is just to make all the money.

Bingo. But then he gets stoned and

Diluted Dante wrote:

Musks mission is to try and impress teenage edgelords.

LivDiv

Pretty sure he used to peddle more left wing stuff when Hollywood celebs were the early Tesla market.
I guess now its Crypto bros with the money/influence

Probably best to pay as much attention to his political views as whoever the top guy is at any other car manufacturer.

poprock

The top guys at other manufacturers don’t court the limelight the way he does. Dude just wants attention.

LivDiv

For sure. Best to not give it to him.

LesterUnlimited

drumbeg wrote:

Going off topic now, but I'm stunned at how many people think that EV is the answer to all and shout it from the rooftops. How about not subsidising Elon's Boring Tesla tunnel and investing in public transport instead? How about investment in more cycling infrastructure? Maybe replacing our old cars with newer EV cars isn't the answer.

His tunnel seems like a pretty garbage idea. He's like building a subway system, but more expensive and worse in terms of capacity and efficiency.

drumbeg

LesterUnlimited wrote:

drumbeg wrote:

Going off topic now, but I'm stunned at how many people think that EV is the answer to all and shout it from the rooftops. How about not subsidising Elon's Boring Tesla tunnel and investing in public transport instead? How about investment in more cycling infrastructure? Maybe replacing our old cars with newer EV cars isn't the answer.

His tunnel seems like a pretty garbage idea. He's like building a subway system, but more expensive and worse in terms of capacity and efficiency.

Exactly. If only we already have a proven, quick and efficient underground tunnel based transport system that governments could subsidise.

Blue Swirl

NFT trading drops 97% in 9 months.

Turns out pictures of bored looking chimps off the internet aren't worth a ton of money.

Hoodathunkit.

Minnesänger

Blue Swirl wrote:

NFT trading drops 97% in 9 months.

Turns out pictures of bored looking chimps off the internet aren't worth a ton of money.

Hoodathunkit.

Fake news. Everyone is just Diamond Handsing super hard.

RedDave2

Blue Swirl wrote:

NFT trading drops 97% in 9 months. Turns out pictures of bored looking chimps off the internet aren't worth a ton of money. Hoodathunkit.

The ... "art" in that articles main photo makes me hate humanity.

Blue Swirl

Minnesänger wrote:

Everyone is just Diamond Handsing super hard.

... wanking?

RedDave2 wrote:

The ... "art" in that articles main photo makes me hate humanity.

We should start a club.

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