Fuck this

Hard to know where to start there was just so much packed into it. All the returning villains were so well done, improving their characterizations from their original movies, Jamie Foxx looked to be having a lot of fun playing Electro, Alfred Molina as Doc Ock like he’d never been away and Green Goblin never been so menacing with Willem Dafoe not needing any stupid mask to show that.

Spider-men. How they brought them through the multiverse was so clever and we all cheered when the popped in. Tom Holland put in a great performance, but Andrew Garfield probably usurped him in the emotional scenes, poor Spidey. Seeing Tobey McGuire back in the suit was quite special and he was spot on as older Spidey who’s been through it all. Genuine laughs at the interaction between the three of them.

Matt Murdoch cameo, probably unnecessary, but in tandem with a certain someone else’s return in Hawkeye had the me and the audience gasping in delight.

So much more, Aunt May, Strange, etc. Can’t wait for another watch.

Also some of the symbiotic got left behind, does that make sense? I would’ve expected all of it to return, regardless of how many bits it was in at the time?

Connors knew. Don’t think Electro did.

Eddie/Venom were in a bar getting tanked, probably watching the news about Peter Parker/Spider-man, not sure if that explains it away.

One question from that scene, we only saw bad guys return from Tobey and Andrew’s eras, does that mean Venom exists in one of their universes? Sony may bring one of them back for their own vs Venom movie.

Oh yeah

Garfield’s universe confirmed!

He has an interview saying that he wanted to do as much of the physical things as possible, and not just a head put onto a body, because it gives a more authentic performance.

As mentioned in the film thread, I saw this yesterday aternoon with the kids.

From an objective story telling perspective, it's a mess of a film.  Lots of people's decisions make no, or little sense, and it's utterly dependent on previous knowledge in order to care about 90% of what happens.

The miserable 40 something year old me knows that to be the case. 

However for a couple of hours my inner 12 year old was having an absolute blast. 

I found myself weirdly happy for Andrew Garfield that he finally got to show how good a Spiderman he can be. (My daughter found the other two reassuring him that, no, really he is amazing, hilarious.)

Most of the villains were suprisingly improved on their OG versions, with Dafoe particularly impressive as a fully unhinged Green Goblin. (The decision to ditch the mask so that we could see his grinning face in that crunchy corridor fight was especially effective.) The de-aging on Molina was oddly distracting though.

The post-credits scenes were a bit flat I thought.  I've not seen Venom 2 but I'm assuming there's something, even just a throw away line, to explain how the hell [font=Arial, sans-serif]V[/font]enom ended up there when it's supposed to be people who know Peter Parker's Spiderman.  The extended trailer for Dr Strange seemed less of a pull than a straight forward teaser would have been.

Still, imperfect though the film is, it was also a giddy delight.

I really enjoyed this. But it was one of the saddest MCU films going - all the stuff with Osborne just wanting to get better, all the villains getting 'cured', Garfield's stuff with MJ, aunt May dieing, and the ending with everyone forgetting who he is...

Question - do all the avengers/world remember Spider-Man's involvement in the avengers stuff and saving the world? And it's just they don't know he's Parker?

If it's anything like the comics travesty where they did it, the rules around it will be ... flexible.

Garfield put his acting chops behind the character and watching it you can see he really enjoyed playing the role. I think he's a brilliant actor.

Just back from seeing it and I really liked it. I loved all the side chatter that you don't normally get in films like this, made the characters all appear to be that little bit more human. Nice way to end the trilogy

I quite liked spiderman but it took a good long while for it to feel like a good movie. I kind of disliked Doctor Strange's involvement - he flipped and flopped between the character who can galaxy brain defeating Thanos and some dumb fuck who doesn't know what he's doing. Also, "what if it's their fate" doesn't make sense when they resurrected half of the universe.

I think there was a fair bit of unearnt  and unecessary"omg look its that guy" and I think it's weird how the plot sort of did a loop (these guys deserve a second chance, oh they don't want it, let's give them a third chance!!!!). 

But that being said I think the resolution was pretty good. I feel like it sets up an empowered lonely boy compared to the traditional depressed lonely boy and it was nice to see the lonely boys bond and go through their struggles (even if it's only for a little bit). 

I think if one were to cinema sins it there's holes everywhere (why don't they just try and find peter parker a third time? using the spell). But i think a solid closer really helps the film.

Saw the Spider-mans. Absolute mess of a film but still really enjoyed it. The good was great and the bad I didn't really care about. Regular readers of Monkey will know I'm not exactly a fan of Holland but he was really good in this. It helped that they've deconstructed the Avenger Boy version of Spidey they've been going with and turned him into something more recognisable. And the whiney, annoying Peter Parker died along with Aunt May turning him into, probably, the closest thing to comic-book Peter that has been put on film. The third film turned him into an iteration of Spider-man they should have started the trilogy with. 

Maguire and Garfield worked really well and all the baddies had better depictions than previously. Apart from Doc Ock who didn't need an upgrade.  
I'm normally pretty oblivious to plot holes but these were so enormous you couldn't help but notice. And the bizarre decisions by some of the characters to service where they wanted the plot to go. It was fine though. It's comic books. They're full of that stuff. Only real complaint is they've used a version of the One More Day plot that is categorically, unequivocally, the worst Spider-man story ever written. But rather than undoing twenty odd years of comic book stories, they've created all this strange, magical, canonical complexity just to resolve a cliffhanger from the previous film. And give a reset to a character that they reset previously only four years ago. Odd move if you ask me. 

Still, enjoyed it a lot and looking forward to the 9th film in the franchise. And if they can get a jaded old fuck like me to say that, they must be doing something right.

Also I watched spiderverse and it feels like beat for beat the same damn film except the antagonist is Spider-Man rather than a kingpin with sympathetic motivations.