Far Cry 2 is one of the shitiest games ive played. Crysis however has had multiple playthroughs. Perfect.

The thing I hate most about Far Cry 2 is everything Elm loves about it.

Tempy wrote:

The thing I hate most about Far Cry 2 is everything Elm loves about it.

BAYONETTA

oh shit

The gun play was so much fun that, tbh, I didn't really care if I got spotted. Still annoyed me a bit when there was clearly no way I could have been spotted. Great game though.

It's .50 cal sniper is still the best weapon in any game ever.

fact

g.man

Paul the sparky wrote:

I can't get away with Far Cry 2 or Crysis 2. I've tried twice with Far Cry 2, but despite loving the setting, weapons and missions, the omnipotent AI get me down. How are you supposed to sneak about when they see you through everything?

What, did you miss the thread on the old forum about this?

They can't see you through everything.  Let me know if I need to deploy my rant about how the camouflage and concealment system in Far Cry 2 was actually realistic, and every game that has you hiding in stupid shadows is complete nonsense.

Lie prone, don't move, buy the camouflage suit!

It's always a fiver in Game when I see it.

Paul the sparky wrote:

Lying prone and still with the camo suit on doesn't help me one bit when they're shooting me Elmo. You get into a good spot, snipe the first guy, then stealth goes out the window as the rest know exactly where you are.

Yeah, just like real life.  If someone fires an absolutely massive half-inch calibre sniper rifle, then it's really rather easy to tell where it comes from (bear in mind I have a degree of professional knowledge in this!).

Like all things in Far Cry 2, it's ruined by gamers.  OMG I WAS IN SHADOW, SHADOW = HIDE, HOW COULD HE SEE ME UNFAIR CHEAT AI.  We're too used to little bits being "safe" zones where you won't be seen, or making a meter fill up to show we're not visible, or staying out of an artificial vision cone. FC2 was much more accurate.

Plenty of times I managed to get the first guy from about maximum range, then quickly spin off to a new sniping site, only to watch the AI approach my original spot.  They'd even fire randomly at it.  I was hiding in a bush about 10 yards away, and you actually hear them saying things like "where is he, I'm sure he was here" and the suchlike.

It's not cheating AI, it's some of the best, most realistic AI I've ever seen.  You then kill one of them with a silenced weapon from a shorter distance, and then throw a molotov, and you can hear the panic building in the survivors as they try to figure out who's killing them.  It's brilliant.

I don't think you can lie prone can you?

Never found it remotely unfair.  If it found me, I'd done something.  Maybe I didn't fire, but did I move?  Movement and sound will make you stand out more than anything else.

Only time I've ever been shot at I could tell which sector to within about 30 degrees it was coming from, and I work daily with guys who are shot at daily, who are able to nail it to within more accuracy than that.  Environmentals come into it as well, as there are certain directions where shots are more likely to come from.  If someone's hit you can tell with an enormous degree of certainty where the shot came from too, so it all points towards the AI being fairly accurate.  

You hear a shot, see a mate get hit, you have about a 20 degree sector to look in.  You see any movement, glint of a scope, unnatural shapes, colours etc, and there's your shooter.  It happens literally every single day in Afghanistan, to that degree of accuracy, so I have no reason to think it's unnatural for AI who've grown up during a civil war, fighting for 10+ years and still surviving, to have the same skills.

Again, drawing on modern experience; when an ANP checkpoint is overrun by insurgents, as happened the other week, you know what happens?  The ANP ask for some assistance, go out and check it's safe, and then re-man the checkpoint.

Do you see the Taliban coming back the next day and going "omg, respawning checkpoint, CHEAT?"  No, you don't.  Likewise, you don't see the ANP going "well, we lost that one, let's just forget about it and leave it, its supplies, its strategic position and its firing points empty."  They go and get it back, perhaps with more people to make taking it again harder.

I'm still amazed that people thought the 2 factions embroiled in a civil war wouldn't replenish a base/checkpoint that was attacked.  The only concession to it being a game was the fact it waited until you got a certain distance away then repopulated it, as presumably there wasn't processing power spare to track the movements of dozens of jeeps full of reinforcements to make it more organic.

@Elm - Bollocks, the checkpoints could have been repopulated over time rather than as soon as your back is turned. It's hypocritical to suggest a game should be realistic in the AI's vision and awareness and then concede the checkpoints as being a snag of the 'game'.

The AI saw me through trees, when I was still and not firing a single shot. If it was because I made too much noise then why isnt the game letting me hear these sounds that the AI can hear from a distance?

Sorry Elm, it's a great game but the AI was beyond annoying.

I have about 4. But they all seem to be after you go through that gate of no return. Well annoyed. I did restart it earlier this year so I might give it another bash tomorrow.

three1ne wrote:

also includes quickly respawning checkpoints and guns that dismantle themselves after 20 rounds.

... re-manning checkpoints makes perfect sense, and feel free to see how many rounds you can get through a gun that hasn't been oiled in 10 years when it's hot and in the desert.