great match, love how much of it was fought just in the ring. WWE matches always spend about 25% outside on the floor. 

Great chemistry. Great crowd.

I've only got to the end of the Cody/Lee Johnson QT/Ogogo tag match and your right it's a super weird show this week.

Started weird with the bucks vs penta and Pac for reasons? I don't really mind normally but Penta is a bad guy but he wasn't in this match? Where was big Alex with his "Penta says" distractions? Bad.

Mark Henry coming out without music was weird.

And then the Cody/Lee Johnson QT/Ogogo tag match which I didn't understand but now I see it was so they could prolong the fued after having Cody win at the ppv. So it was pointless to have Cody win last weekend as we're just back where we would have been if Ogogo had won at the ppv which is absolutely a big wwe thing and it sucks

I dont know if anyone's been following the american indies but the former Zack Ryder turned up in GCW to wrestle genuine bank robber Nick Gage in a death match. The spot was brilliant. The crowd thought it was Moxley. You can find it on twitter.

Never saw that one coming. I saw Ryder as a WWE lifer guy who would charge high prices, do a couple of shows then fade away similar to Ryback. It's clear he loves wrestling and I'm pleased to be wrong. I see Braun as another Ryback, but do hope to be proved wrong.

Ryder is the biggest wrestling mark in the world, not sure how you got him so wrong.

hasn't he got that cool youtube account where he goes hunting for rare wrestling figures or is that someone else?

Matt Cordona seems like a nice man so I'm glad it's going well for him.

Apparently Braun is charging the indie feds a fortune. Slowly heading down that Ryback route. To be fair I can see him back in the E for half the money of his last contract.

I have been watching some classic matches lately with my brother and with my wrestling friend from Chicago. We watched Mr Perfect vs Bret Hart at Summerslam, and it is a fucking masterpiece. I think Perfect would be my choice for best talent never to win the world title in WWF or WCW. He was just incredible, and had such an influence on modern wrestling. The pace he could go at really put many of the old timers to shame. 

We also watched Ravishing Rick Rude vs Ultimate Warrior, which is one of the best examples of a great talent carrying a subpar partner to a great match. Really worth a watch.

Yes mine too. Was it 92? Had Brett on the cover of the video?

Absolute masterclass in reversals.

I definitely don't think that Warrior was the worst, but it did greatly help that he was working with masters of their craft. He had huge charisma... I mean the guy got over by simply running to the ring!

I'd see warrior as a much better version of the likes of Hacksaw - all gimmick and charisma (which is just as important in wrestling as work rate). But its also worth noting that back in that era, you didnt get to just go out and have a good match. The good matches were spread out between those getting the big push. We all know savage is awesome but look at some of the short stinkers he had to have with the likes of Hacksaw, Dusty etc. Would these matches be better if Savage was allowed go an extra 10 minutes or really work out the match like he did with Warrior? I think they certainly would.

I think this is why, depsite not really being allowed to shine all the time, guys like Hart, Henning and Dibease always looked so good despite these restrictions because they were all really smooth and could make the best of that 5 minute spot. 

I always felt that Henning should have had a run as Champion with the initial push because it just made sense and it would have given Hogan a unique opponent - someone smaller who could out-wrestle him instead of just another big monster. But when Hogan dumped him out so easily in the Rumble, we knew it wasn't going anywhere. Back to the mid-card Curt.

mk64 wrote:

he had a few pushes iirc

Mr perfect? He did but it always seemed to be just to IC level. In his first run it looked like he might be making a run at hogan (even smashed up the world title) but apart form being the last person chucked by hogan in the rumble (1990 I think?) He never got a ppv match as a headliner.

I think his only time in the main event at opv was when he teamed with savage against flair and razor Ramon?

I think we can all agree the Honky Tonk Man was was greatest ic champ of all time.

The wonderful double J Jeff jarrett who at one point held the title more times than any other. I also met him when he was touring with the all star wrestling thing and he seemed a genuinely nice guy.

Kinda fun looking at the reigns on the wiki. Think jericho is the most with 9 and Honky has the longest with 454 days. Miz no slouch with 8.

I'll defend Honky as being an exceptional good chicken shit heel. Of course you won't get a good match in the work rate sense but he could really work the crowd, really good promos and he was so hateable. Perfect for his role. Sure, never going to be a main event guy but not everyone should be.

His match at Summerslam with warrior is a prime example of a great match in wrestling. I can remember seeing it with a mate as a kid before knowing the result and from Honky's grandstanding promo at the start to the warriors pop for coming down and just steam rolling Honky and then in the aftermath Honky acting like he is still in a fight. Its just a brilliant bit of wrestling.

Sure, it's not a classic match that you will rewatch but it's not meant to be and it does what it needed to perfectly.


6 stars in the Tokyo dome.