Eh?cockbeard wrote:You're throwing a proof at me, not offering me any form of solution for a problem that may or may not exist
cockbeard wrote:Longer term than the bit of space the solar system is traveling through? I doubt that, it takes something like 250million years for the solar system to orbit the milky way, and the earth is only 4.5 billion years old, so we've only performed 18 orbits and I think a third of those predate photosynthesis
cockbeard wrote:Longer term than the bit of space the solar system is traveling through? I doubt that, it takes something like 250million years for the solar system to orbit the milky way, and the earth is only 4.5 billion years old, so we've only performed 18 orbits and I think a third of those predate photosynthesis
Yossarian wrote:cockbeard wrote:Longer term than the bit of space the solar system is traveling through? I doubt that, it takes something like 250million years for the solar system to orbit the milky way, and the earth is only 4.5 billion years old, so we've only performed 18 orbits and I think a third of those predate photosynthesis
Presumably we have data on the temperature of space? I'd be very surprised if none of the satellites whizzing around above us are fitted with a thermometer.
dynamiteReady wrote:This is the problem with the fanaticism.
There are no other answers right? I mean, how could there be?
Yossarian wrote:This isn't fanaticism, it's science. There can be other answers if they can be supported by evidence. So far, no other theories can.This is the problem with the fanaticism. There are no other answers right? I mean, how could there be?
Lord_Griff wrote:But if local space was 5 Kelvin we'd be 2 Kelvin hotter. Maths.
cockbeard wrote:If local space were only 3.1 kelvin we'd be around 3% warmer that's a lot
dynamiteReady wrote:
Funkstain wrote:I mean there are plenty of scholarly hypotheses that cover the apparent slowing of warming (the high hold of the last decade), none of which unfortunately suggest that "ah it's ok after all". The one with most traction is heat absorption by the ocean, resulting in higher oceanic temperatures with large-scale eco effects
All of this is easily available information. What is your alternative hypothesis? "We've moved further from the sun"?
dynamiteReady wrote:the 'scientific' community
Yossarian wrote:Depends. Do you have a sociologist to put forward that view? If so, Dyno'll probably take it at face value.
Lord_Griff wrote:Guys, back to "Hot Space", the population increase looks like it can account for a temperature increase of about 1 ten thousands of a degree over the last 40 years, so in that respect it is not sheer weight of humans that doing it.... Phew
dynamiteReady wrote:Yossarian wrote:Depends. Do you have a sociologist to put forward that view? If so, Dyno'll probably take it at face value.
Keep it up, mate...
Funkstain wrote:- Climate change is happening
- It is happening very quickly
- A major reason for the rapidity of change and the severity of change is humans
Without even going into the potential outcomes, which of these points do you dispute, and on what basis / what alternatives for the observed data do you have? It's that simple. Nothing to do with dogma, fanaticism, or bullshit articles in economy magazines. Just simple discussion. Please can you address this before continuing so we can have a constructive discussion?
Lord_Griff wrote:Whoa, there's 4.2 billion more people now than in 1960. The average human generates 178 watts of energy (8 hours at 80 watts, 14 hours at 116 watts and 2 hours at 1000 watts). So that's like 6.5x10^16 joules per day extra!!!!! The SHC of air is about 1,000 joules/Kg degree(C) and the atmosphere weighs c5.15x10^18 Kg sooooo you know what that means!!!!!
Yossarian wrote:If you're going to reference economists to support your view, you should expect a bit of piss taking. No response to the referenced, scholarly article from a respected scientific journal explaining the likely cause of the pause?Keep it up, mate...Depends. Do you have a sociologist to put forward that view? If so, Dyno'll probably take it at face value.
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