I get it that everything is possible in The Matrix and bringing characters back from the dead is perfectly doable.  But by that same extension, we're talking about watching a film with facsimiles of the originals.  Fakes.  I'm not sure whether that is such an engaging prospect.

I'm in work currently so haven't watched the new trailer.  I'm sure when I'll do I'll be like WOOOAH! and doing slow-mo gun fights with random strangers on the way home.   

Actually when you put it like that, that doesn't sound so bad.  If only I could erase the memory of the last two awful films and pretend they weren't real too.

I hate that "bringing characters back" malarky. It's as if Ep.9 never happened. Fuck me.


Copies and fakes is hauling Solaris concepts in.  This will cheapen the original Matrix idea.

I'm one of those people who liked the original and the sequels probably because I didn't get TOO much into it. There's some crap bits, particularly in the 3rd one with its Zion rave party for example, but I never too expected too much and so didn't get disappointed.  It's faux intellectualism is po-faced and has ideas above its station.

The trailer is fucking awesome.

All I can say is that as soon as I saw Trinity in that trailer my heart sank. 

The agent was replicating within one cycle of the Matrix. The Neo character (which may not have been called that , or looked like that in earlier cycles) is the single anomaly which unbalances the equation that drives the Matrix control systems.

When the anomaly and that agent interacted in a way that was unpredicted by the mathematics, then the agent was enabled to replicate and exist outside of the software infrastructure that controlled it.

The cyclical idea is elegant, as is the explanation of the problems that arose in the "current cycle". The cycle was broken at the end of the 3rd film.

Of course a followup was hinted at at the very end which gave a route to cheapen it.  Hey Presto. Here we go.

The trailer looks good but as for the story....

However I'll go see it.

You're taking more from my Solaris reference than I intended. I only referred to it because of the ideas of copies and what makes us human.

Watched that trailer again.

I'm not getting it. I'd need a bit of context before I bite.

The story is finished.  Christ almighty just let it lie and move on.

The principle cast were superb in the trilogy and are a major part what made it a success.

The Wachowskis in the boxset liner notes say it is comprehensive.  That's good enough for me.

I forgot they are trans now so mistook the name change for a writer change btw. So I withdrew a post I made about the writer change...

I didn't take the AI as determining itself as human at all. Sentient but not human.

I want it to be good. But it won't be.

Sorry @Tempy, I'm not trying to be awkward. The concept is ripe for exploitation in a really good way. But I doubt that will happen. Too many disappointments over the years.

I totally understand the reticence to return to something that's done, because it can weaken it, but it's not new or unique really. You only need to check out how often Tomino has returned to Gundam, or Anno's recent return to Evangelion. Artists grow and change, and sometimes they feel new things about their works, and how they might want to present them, or different angles they can take on the same idea to open up new meaning, or just to enjoy a world they crafted and loved.

davyK wrote:

Sorry @Tempy, I'm not trying to be awkward. The concept is ripe for exploitation in a really good way. But I doubt that will happen. Too many disappointments over the years.

I don't think you're being awkward at all! I just don't agree, in as polite a way as I can possibly manage

The idea in the films is something that seems to be the core of our own beliefs and suspicions.

I myself as a very young kid used to fantasise about me being in a machine that was presenting me with a fake world. I reckon lots of people thought about that - so it's probably why it struck a chord with so many people.

The first 3 films were quite disciplined in what they did with the idea. It's grounded in many ways - fantastical - but as one who understands software at a  fundamental level I was able to go with it. I found that very gratifiying. My fear is that it becomes too loose and just gets a bit stupid I suppose.

Diluted Dante wrote:

What I've not seen anyone discuss is that The Matrix Online was canon, so how that's dealt with could be... fun. I'm one of about 10,000 people who played it reguarly, so I expect they will be making this film exclusively for us.

It'll be interesting, they may well roll the blessing they gave it back now they're actually returning to it.

Tempy wrote:

davyK wrote:

Sorry @Tempy, I'm not trying to be awkward. The concept is ripe for exploitation in a really good way. But I doubt that will happen. Too many disappointments over the years.

I don't think you're being awkward at all! I just don't agree, in as polite a way as I can possibly manage

That's OK....I think I come across as snarly sometimes. 

davyK wrote:

Tempy wrote:

davyK wrote:

Sorry @Tempy, I'm not trying to be awkward. The concept is ripe for exploitation in a really good way. But I doubt that will happen. Too many disappointments over the years.

I don't think you're being awkward at all! I just don't agree, in as polite a way as I can possibly manage

That's OK....I think I come across as snarly sometimes. 

And I have been told I come across as condescending at times, which reading back. Yikes, haha!