Paul the sparky wrote:As far as comfort blankets go, fucking lol. The world is going to shit, I think we need to break things but I can't be arsed to do owt about it, thank fuck this guy stepped up for me:
DrewMerson wrote:Collective actions require individuals to collectively act. Here in the real world, it takes a few individuals to start the ball rolling, and others to join in. It takes individuals to coordinate decisions and actions. If you have your reasons for not being able to participate, what makes you think others don’t have the same? If I were to be asked which members of the forum is best placed to abandon their current lifestyle and start breaking things, I’d honestly have your name at the top of my list. If you can’t manage, what makes you think anyone else can? You can keep your insults to yourself.…the personal anecdotes and responsibilities of one deserve no place in a conversation about collective action. None. Zero. Not even a mention. If you think otherwise you are honestly just too thick to pay any attention to. sorry that's the truth.
GooberTheHat wrote:I like the Just Stop Oil lot. They've at least got people talking.
Paul the sparky wrote:GooberTheHat wrote:I like the Just Stop Oil lot. They've at least got people talking.
They raise awareness with their stunts I suppose, but I don't think anyone isn't aware by this stage. They're either engaged with it or they're not
Dark Soldier wrote:Be good one day on here to see an actual debate without backhanded insults, slurs and the usual schoolyard bullshit flung about like kids. Keep it up lads, fucking hell. Get heated, sure, but you're all adults.
Paul the sparky wrote:Paul the sparky wrote:As far as comfort blankets go, fucking lol. The world is going to shit, I think we need to break things but I can't be arsed to do owt about it, thank fuck this guy stepped up for me:
I wonder what sad song was playing in his head
acemuzzy wrote:- We should do nothing cos there's no point it's all fucked, and point & laugh at anyone bothering to do otherwise
Paul the sparky wrote:Nah. Nobody has come anywhere near representing your first "side" and you know it
Paul the sparky wrote:Me: everyone do what is reasonably practicable, but without global enforcement of strict policy regulating everything and everyone from individuals up to OmniGlobalMegaCorps then we're fucked. Just Stop Oil, fucking lol
Dark Soldier wrote:Be good one day on here to see an actual debate without backhanded insults, slurs and the usual schoolyard bullshit flung about like kids. Keep it up lads, fucking hell. Get heated, sure, but you're all adults.
acemuzzy wrote:acemuzzy wrote:- We should do nothing cos there's no point it's all fucked, and point & laugh at anyone bothering to do otherwisePaul the sparky wrote:Nah. Nobody has come anywhere near representing your first "side" and you know itPaul the sparky wrote:Me: everyone do what is reasonably practicable, but without global enforcement of strict policy regulating everything and everyone from individuals up to OmniGlobalMegaCorps then we're fucked. Just Stop Oil, fucking lol
So what's the distinction between my first "side" and your self-described position then? Is it that we'll magically get global enforcement of strict policy without any individuals doing anything, or that we should do what's reasonably practicable even though that still leaves it all fucked?
And that we can only point & laugh at a subset of people bothering to do otherwise, maybe?
poprock wrote:But I concede that Just Stop Oil and the likes are what you get when people try to square the circle of ‘I want to do something’ and ‘I don’t know how to be effective’.
I hope that if any of us thought we had the right solution, we’d be out there doing it right now.
Brooks wrote:I'd still like some good ol' fashioned sabotage.
equinox_code wrote:Dark Soldier wrote:Be good one day on here to see an actual debate without backhanded insults, slurs and the usual schoolyard bullshit flung about like kids. Keep it up lads, fucking hell. Get heated, sure, but you're all adults.
unless it's ZMM, right?
This is going nowhere so I'll duck out now. Enjoy your check-mate, guys. What a gotcha. You really had me cornered.
ZMM wrote:Yeah, they bullied me out of the other thread. Hasn't the argument in here caused a lot of energy loss on whatever server this forum is whirring away on? The ironing is delicious.unless it's ZMM, right? This is going nowhere so I'll duck out now. Enjoy your check-mate, guys. What a gotcha. You really had me cornered.Be good one day on here to see an actual debate without backhanded insults, slurs and the usual schoolyard bullshit flung about like kids. Keep it up lads, fucking hell. Get heated, sure, but you're all adults.
Paul the sparky wrote:monkey wrote:This is the most constructive strategy. But it needs to be properly coordinated. A full-on movement of millions of UK voters that vote as a block exclusively on climate issues. Becoming king makers for the next government. No one votes green because of the electoral system. That can be gotten around with coordination and sheer weight of numbers. There are definitely enough people concerned about this to make this viable. But it does need to be started by someone with slightly more national clout than I've got.ZMM wrote:Vote green, that's the best thing one individual can do
It's that for me. I'd be pissing my vote away and letting the Tories or Lib Dems in, and fuck that for a game of soldiers
nick_md wrote:It was a bit off to comment on faking mental health issues with someone known for mental health issues, but there's deffo a historic readiness to go studs up against zmm at any opportunity by some folks, and noxy you can't call for breakages and not be ready to break stuff yourself.
I recycle my plastic but won't do reusable nappies.
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