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  • Honestly in the absence of guns forthwith (which is a logistical impossibility) I still think Americans would keep murdering eachother in absurdly high numbers for a developed country. They need to rewrite more of cultural messaging that the Constitution.
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    Brooks wrote:
    Less worried about splattery, exploding-testicle violence in entertainment than entertainment that reinforces hoorah bullshit about the troops, cops, endorses capitalism etc. Different tier of violence, really. To say nothing about how fucking toxic gamer communities are capable of being.

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    Aye, the yt recommendation algorithm has a definite preference for clickbait and thus controversial tabloidy (extremist?) bullshit. Most people are sadly stupid enough to fall for it and cannot distinguish fake news from real news.

    Critical thinking and source/fact checking really need to be introduced in modern school curriculums these days.
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    Also relevant.

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    Great video and dance choreography.
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    Brooks wrote:
    Honestly in the absence of guns forthwith (which is a logistical impossibility) I still think Americans would keep murdering eachother in absurdly high numbers for a developed country. They need to rewrite more of cultural messaging that the Constitution.

    I believe this.  Guns aren't the issue. Mental health is.
  • In the broadest possible sense. National pathology imo. Win win win win win or else.
  • The guns make things so easy though, it crosses more lines to stab someone. I wonder how many go with the AR15 because they want a bit of distance before the first shot.
  • Mental health is definitely the issue but guns are the easily available killing tool.

    I see it like how you would treat a kid. If you let them have a plastic sword and they kept whacking people round the head with it you would take it off them until they proved they could play with it sensibly.
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    Brooks wrote:
    Honestly in the absence of guns forthwith (which is a logistical impossibility) I still think Americans would keep murdering eachother in absurdly high numbers for a developed country. They need to rewrite more of cultural messaging that the Constitution.
    I believe this.  Guns aren't the issue. Mental health is.
    Why not both?
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    davyK wrote:
    kp
    Brooks wrote:
    Honestly in the absence of guns forthwith (which is a logistical impossibility) I still think Americans would keep murdering eachother in absurdly high numbers for a developed country. They need to rewrite more of cultural messaging that the Constitution.
    I believe this.  Guns aren't the issue. Mental health is.
    Why not both?

    Mental health is the cause, guns are the tool. Gun control would probably lower the death count, so that's no doubt a good thing but mental health seems to be me to be the real thing to address.

    Also it can't be stressed how much much sensible and legal gun use part of the states. It's a hobbie, a sport, a form of protection and a form of vocation in terms of hunting. Even taking away the tyrannical government /militia arguments, there's a lot of people in the states who use guns safety and responsibly.
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    JonB wrote:
    Honestly in the absence of guns forthwith (which is a logistical impossibility) I still think Americans would keep murdering eachother in absurdly high numbers for a developed country. They need to rewrite more of cultural messaging that the Constitution.
    I believe this.  Guns aren't the issue. Mental health is.
    Why not both?

    Well...yeah. Guns certainly make it worse but I wouldn't blame the guns (i.e. symptom) on it.  There seems to be a lot of anger over there. It isn't a good mix.

    The best the US can achieve is more sensible access controls. It's hard to imagine being reasonable and arguing against that.
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    One might argue the anger is the ultimate outcome of rampant consumerism. And when you perceive you are missing out your self worth drops. (Suppose I'm reiterating what Mr B says above - winners and losers - innit?)
  • Gotta be careful with the mental health angle, surely. Creates a stigma.

    We have a well populated mental health thread, and external violence doesn't seem to be on the cards.

    "Mental illness" is too broad a term, perhaps.

    (I know no one here is trying to use it in a pejorative way.)
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  • I don't think you can separate the guns from certain wider cultural issues - machismo, hyper competitiveness and individualism and reverence for private property. The aggressive reaction against any suggestion of restricting access to guns is because it challenges some fundamental cultural beliefs. In that sense, the nation's attitude to guns and what they mean is as central as anything else.
  • I'm on a trip back from new york. Talking to some Americans, it's all about the competition aspect. They can often seem to be a nation built on adversarial approaches to everything. The concept of everyone helping towards a better society was genuinely lost on some folk. As one guy so nicely put it - why the fuck should he care? He didn't see the better picture and only figured what mattered was what effected him and his family.

    America. It's got issues.
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    From the Hofstede country comparison on American individualism.

    INDIVIDUALISM
    The fundamental issue addressed by this dimension is the degree of interdependence a society maintains among its members. It has to do with whether people´s self-image is defined in terms of “I” or “We”. In Individualist societies people are only supposed to look after themselves and their direct family. In Collectivist societies people belong to “in groups” that take care of them in exchange for unquestioning loyalty.

    The fairly low score on Power Distance(40) in combination with one of the the most Individualist (91) cultures in the world reflects itself in the following:

    The American premise of “liberty and justice for all.” This is evidenced by an explicit emphasis on equal rights in all aspects of American society and government. Within American organisations, hierarchy is established for convenience, superiors are accessible and managers rely on individual employees and teams for their expertise. Both managers and employees expect to be consulted and information is shared frequently. At the same time, communication is informal, direct and participative to a degree. The society is loosely-knit in which the expectation is that people look after themselves and their immediate families only and should not rely (too much) on authorities for support. There is also a high degree of geographical mobility in the United States. Americans are the best joiners in the world; however it is often difficult, especially among men, to develop deep friendships. Americans are accustomed to doing business or interacting with people they don’t know well. Consequently, Americans are not shy about approaching their prospective counterparts in order to obtain or seek information. In the business world, employees are expected to be self-reliant and display initiative. Also, within the exchange-based world of work we see that hiring, promotion and decisions are based on merit or evidence of what one has done or can do.
  • We all need to group together and wipe these fuckers out, tbh. We need to time it right though, tbh, if we fuck it up, they'll nuke us. Someone do a countdown, then we'll jump them.
  • Had to laugh at this from the BBC. Sums it up really.
    Mr Tillerson was reported to be astonished at how little Mr Trump grasped the basics of foreign policy.

    The Republican president, meanwhile, was irritated by Mr Tillerson's body language
  • The thing is Putin is approaching politics like a game of Go whereas Trumpy thinks he's playing Chess but his strategy is more like Tic-tac-toe.
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  • He's playing chess, just like how Phoebe and Joey play it.
  • He's playing warhammer 40k, but without the dice, rules and an opponent. Basically he is just sitting in the corner with a bunch of space marines going "pew pew"
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  • If Putin is a genius former fsb agent turned dictator, Trump is kindof his antithesis; Forest Gump born into a rich millionaire family who believes himself to be a genius self made man.
    The contrast really couldn't be any bigger. The way Russia manipulated the 2016 US presidential elections was actually quite brilliant, noone saw it coming (even with the Brexit prelude) and that's including Trump and the GoP. The Russians have been grooming Trump since 2013 and he didn't even realise it. Trump is well and truely way out of his league.

    It may sound like I admire Putin and I guess in a sense I do. He's highly intelligent, devious and cunning, much more so than any other politician on the world's stage. He's also quite brazen and ruthless as the lastest asassinations attest. Fuck with the Russian state and you and your loved ones will get what's coming to you, even if you move around in oligarch circles. Nerve gas as the obvious calling card as to who ordered the hit.

    Doesn't bode well for Meuller's Russian witnesses now, does it?
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    The news that Trump has fired Rex Tillerson and had Mcabe fired in the last week seems to have gone under the radar what with all the Russian nonsense.

    Also breaking news that Jeff Sessions committed perjury about advising the trump campaign not to meet Russians.

    Things are afoot across the pond.
  • Aye, Mueller and Trump will clash in the upcoming months, no escaping that.
    Especially now that the investigation has expanded to the Trumps themselves and their business empire.The whole CA Facebook mess is only fuel to the Russiagate fire.

    Soon to be an inferno?
    It's almost popcorntime....
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  • Part of me wants to set calendar reminders for these posts so I can look back on our optimism in 6 years time as Trump is finally forced to leave.

    I set one to see if Bitcoin finally picked up after the slump, but the vigour had gone.
  • Putin winning by a landslide.

    Well blow me down.
  • What optimism?
    I'm just here for the inferno.
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    Part of me wants to set calendar reminders for these posts so I can look back on our optimism in 6 years time as Trump is finally forced to leave. I set one to see if Bitcoin finally picked up after the slump, but the vigour had gone.

    Forced to leave? Look to China for his next move.

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