HawBawJaws wrote:Fair enough mate. I think I'll stop trying to engage with you about this subject now. I know you created this thread with an 'educate me' intention, but tbh, you're coming across the exact same way as the 'too wee, too poor, too stupid' types I see on twitter and in the msm every day. I don't think you wanted any kind of insight, or were ever prepared to take any on board, you've already (IMHO) decided us gaining independence is a daft idea.
And hey, if we do, and it does turn out to be a daft idea, then hey ho, it's on us.
Much love.
1) You haven’t been paying attention, then.cockbeard wrote:The big questions to me are how an independent Scotland would reimburse the British taxpayer for the oil if it assumes it will keep it. What Scotland would do about defence, and whether the subs would need to move south. These are things I've never seen Salmond or Sturgeon address, therefore it's hard for me not to think it's about personal immortality.
Like I_R, I’d love to see a source for this one.cockbeard wrote:The gas and oil prospecting and the infrastructure to get it out was paid for by the uk taxpayer.
Maybe go and educate yourself on the nature of the two unions before you carry on down this road.cockbeard wrote:The irony that is clearly missed when thinking brexit and indyref are completely different subjects is hilarious though
cockbeard wrote:HawBawJaws wrote:Fair enough mate. I think I'll stop trying to engage with you about this subject now. I know you created this thread with an 'educate me' intention, but tbh, you're coming across the exact same way as the 'too wee, too poor, too stupid' types I see on twitter and in the msm every day. I don't think you wanted any kind of insight, or were ever prepared to take any on board, you've already (IMHO) decided us gaining independence is a daft idea.
And hey, if we do, and it does turn out to be a daft idea, then hey ho, it's on us.
Much love.
No I don't think it's a daft idea, I do think words like "bullied" are very emotive and make a subject difficult to discuss. Especially when it's already emotive enough. I'm trying to be as dispassionate as possible here, I simply fail to see many of the supposed benefits of going it alone. That said you've already turned me on to the skills shortage and current inability to actively encourage immigration within certain industries. That's a freedom which is madness to be denied. As for too small, too stupid, whatever, I think no such thing, and have said no such thing
The taxpayer oil thing, tax subsidies are often given when granting prospect rights, and the licenses to prospect have come down in price the last decade, so the prospecting companies are in effect being supported by the taxpayer. I can't remember who said all this, but it stayed in my head from five years ago when it was discussed. I thought it very strange at the time, as it sounded far more aggressive than was necessary
Diluted Dante wrote:If the UK was dumb enough to give tax subsidies to oil companies then that's their fault. They can't try charging Scotland for it.
poprock wrote:Oil isn’t just about the profit it makes. It’s also about the investment it attracts, the employment it brings, the skills it develops, the investment in education it encourages, the innovation it pays for, the infrastructure it demands, etc etc etc.
poprock wrote:Oil isn’t just about the profit it makes. It’s also about the investment it attracts, the employment it brings, the skills it develops, the investment in education it encourages, the innovation it pays for, the infrastructure it demands, etc etc etc.
Funkstain wrote:...generally I distrust nationalist movements and believe we're only going to be able to work on the bigger problems as larger entities...
monkey wrote:If Scotland goes then we’re all fucked, both sides of the border.
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