hylian_elf wrote:

Why would the side switch be a best moment? Weird.

FOR THE EPIC MIND GAMES TO WIN A TOURNAMENT DO YOU EVEN MEMBER FIGHTANS!?

Roujin wrote:

hylian_elf wrote:

Why would the side switch be a best moment? Weird.

FOR THE EPIC MIND GAMES TO WIN A TOURNAMENT DO YOU EVEN MEMBER FIGHTANS!?

Hey I was thinking why is it good?! The organisers also being shit and having to look up rules (I think they did that?) also makes it a shit moment surely?

Wasn’t sonic getting creamed at that point as well? Even the side switch ignored the comeback was pretty boss probably (even though it creates an interesting power dynamic in the setting)

The problem is me and not the games.

This isn't really a new revelation, just something that I've been aware of for quite a while that was bubbling away. It was then 'tripped' by DS sharing about the latest Footy Manager game, so I thought i'd waffle on about it to see if I was alone in this. (it's also not really news, but this seemed the most general place for the chatter than a game specific thread).

The way I play games, and how I expect them to work, is kind of locked in my brain, at different points in the past for different games and genres. Generally this around the late 90s, earliers 00s. This isn't about rose tinted glasses, and me thinking the games were definitely 'better' back then, just that i can't/won't change the way I approach the games.

PES is a classic example. I really loved it back in the day, with the peak around 2003. Since then, I've tried many new versions, and never really enjoyed them the same. But the thing is, I still play exactly the same way....I use the same buttons and want to have the same play style, anything new and changed is basically ignored. They could potentially have reworked the entire thing, have an all new play style for a much better game, but i won't see it cos i'm still playing the way i always have. New menus and tactical options are ignored, I'm aware the right-stick does tricks now but I didn't need it back then so i ignore it now...

On to Footy Manager. I loved it back when it was Championship Manager. Over the years, it gets more in depth, more detailed, basically a better more realistic 'management game'. It makes sense that a management game wants you to set up training, deep dive on your player abilities, fiddle with every tactical element....and yet if i try to play one, i get bored immediately cos my brain slips straight into the old champ man mentality - quick scan of who your good players are, pick a formation, try to sign Chris Waddle (this in particular gets harder on the later versions!) and on to the matches. All the extra options and stuff in the game just sets off alarms that tell me i don't know what I'm doing and I shouldn't have to learn it!

And it applies with lots of the 'big' games of today. So many read like a wishlist of 'wouldn't it be cool if...' chatter from when i was younger, and I look at them objectively and think "wow, this sounds amazing". Yet when i play them now part of my brain is like 'you know we didn't have to do this back on game x...you wouldn't have died there if this was game y cos it would have reacted differently...what level are we on anyway?'

I guess all this is just a way of saying that I'm 'stuck in my ways'....the same could probably be said about my choice in music, films and books etc., but at least with those it feels more like I've settled into my genres, but still enjoy different takes on them. It just seems weird with games, since I grew up with them, saw them evolve and change and keep improving, then each game reached a point where I've went "yep, that's far enough for you, don't change anymore", but the games carried on without me.

I can agree with Ram to an extent, especially with PES. Last one of those I played I just immediately ruled out learning all those new tricks. It felt overcomplicated anyway in the end, with the AI being too clever for its own good for one.

But in other games I've got more out of them when I've made myself leave the comfort zone. Playing Tetris Effect when the last Tetris I'd really played was the Gameboy version is a good example. When I first saw how it had changed I just thought I wouldn't be willing or able to learn any of that, but a bit of effort has already paid off. Dark Souls is probably the clearest example though - a game which makes you adjust your approach to the genre if you want to get it, but rewards you massively when you do.

The main things about those examples, I think, is their focus. They aren't games that try to do everything but have very specific gameplay aims that are actually quite simple when you break them down. In comparison, trying to learn the all the different things you can do in an AAA open world just feels tiring. One of the reasons Horizon worked for me was because it felt very geared towards the combat and weapons, and it was easy to concentrate on the depth of those systems. Too many big games now feel wide and shallow, rather than narrow and deep, so to speak.

Miserable old bastards stuck in the past and frightened of the future.

Paul the sparky wrote:

Miserable old bastards stuck in the past and frightened of the future.

Kids these days have no respect...we fought the space invaders so you could grow up and play 'RDR-Beard and Horse Groomer'!

I like games that do new things, I've already got ones that do the old things and rarely like to play for high scores.

Most AAA games don't do much for me these days as they're mass market fodder and so scared to try anything interesting.

hahaha

You didn't have to play it like that, you know; I didn't.

I Googled the best recipes and batch cooked enough to see me to the credits. #crafty

Australians are used to governments collapsing. Its never that interesting - read the RPS article instead

Anyway you'll be able to spend 10 minutes reading any article (except Article 50) and the government will still be there when youve finished.

Well maybe not after 20 minutes. 30, tops.