AJ wrote:

But what does it mean to win?

Everything.

No, my dad's harder!

Competition is definitely good. We can see from one generation to the next what happens when one company takes a large lead, complacency inevitably seeps in.

lol console plebs

Yossarian wrote:

They won the 360 gen. Sony eventually passed them after the current gen had started.

So I put win in inverted commas because it's a daft debate, but what you just said makes no sense at all.

The PS360 generation was actually won by the Wii. It was, by all measures, the console that sold the most.

Putting the Wii aside, the PlayStation and Xbox were so close at the end that there was no clear winner at all between them.

With the PS4 outselling the Xbox One 2:1, you can easily declare a 'winner' of this gen.

That's fair. I guess I saw dominate and win as comparable terms.

regmcfly wrote:

Take me down to hot take city
Where the grass is green and the girls are pretty

My mind somehow linked this to Tiger's "hot load" comment in the goty thread. Which was very weird.

Not the any of the other posts in this actual thread make that much sense.

Think it's time to put in my contacts and make more coffee.

Pretty much. Although I do think that Microsoft’s longer-term strategy might shift things a bit more fundamentally. I reckon that within our lifetimes, the battle will be between Microsoft, Google and Amazon as streaming takes over. If I were Sony, I’d be looking at a partnership with Google or Amazon now before one of them buys out the PlayStation brand to slap on their own streaming service.

I think it’s massively dependent on infrastructure too, and I can’t see Sony catching up there.

The point is that Google, Amazon and Microsoft all have massive sets of server farms all around the world already which are used to service businesses, they have huge cloud computing power at their fingertips and they are already making money from it. All they need to do is switch some of their existing servers over to games.

Building a competing set of infrastructure would probably cost billions. Doing it only for games makes no financial sense.

Unless Sony’s moving into cloud computing services, then no, I can’t see it, for very good reason.

Has anyone else seen Shadow?
It looks like an interesting take on streaming games.

The user pays $35 per month. In return they get their own, dedicated high end PC sat in a server rack. I can't remember all the spec but they have 1080ti gpus, 32gb of ram and a processor to match, making it as good as maybe even better than Xbox One X.

The PC is yours to use as you want, you want Steam get Steam, you want Origin lol ok. You don't even have to game, you could use it as a workstation. It is just like owning a PC. No sharing with anyone else or a handful of mega cpus trying to process everyone's data at peak times.
They will maintain it for you and periodically upgrade hardware to keep it at the high end of gaming rigs.


The upside to this. You can game on anything. They have a dedicated box that connects via HDMI, apps for Android, windows and Mac OS (possibly iOS, can't remember but would be surprised if not). The user can also switch devices quickly, about as fast as the Switch changes from docked to handheld.

The tests I have seen of it look very fast, no real lag of note, maybe those super fightman types may see it but most won't. Obviously they can't do anything about user end speeds.


I'm monitoring it and would be tempted when it comes to the big PC upgrade. It would be interesting to see a console manufacturer take the same approach, automatically upgrading from One, to S to X on the same sub would have been really good.

Dunno, that is going to be a $2000 (USD) pc.
Just shy of 5 years at $35 per month, if they are legit on promising to keep it updated that doesn't sound too bad, especially for those worried about building their own. Of course you can't sell it but 5 year old parts won't have much resale value.
Plus many can more easily find $35 per month than they can $2000 as a one off.

Like I say, the latency I have seen has been very impressive. Not enough for the nutjobs but enough for most. It is hard to tell as techy reviewer types do all have good connections.

Funny, as I was just thinking today after seeing the Japan Ass Creed streaming on the Switch that Nintendo are probably going to be the only current guys standing once streaming takes over. If it’s no longer tech dependant and you can stream whatever you want to wherever you want then Nintendo are the ones with by far the strongest catalogue of stuff to tie you in and pull in the families. Yoss can bang on about MS being in the best tech position all he wants but they don’t have a fat cartoon plumber do they?

Let the warz begin!!!!
Fuckin unfuckinreal.

From what I've heard, Playstation Now offers the best streaming service of those currently on the market. That will be worth something.

Also, I cant see any reason they couldnt go to IBM if competition was really a worry, but I doubt it will be. Netflix uses AWS.