Every time I see the face trick I think of Mission Impossible.

Wasn't it just the arse end of the army (the stragglers)? The gold had made it to kings landing.

halfgone wrote:

Not sure about them cave drawings though, thought the elf/woodland people made whitewalkers/night king out of humans?

This is what I thought too.

Thought they explained last season, that the children betrayed one of the first men, turning him in to the Night King.

ChopperByrne wrote:

halfgone wrote:

Not sure about them cave drawings though, thought the elf/woodland people made whitewalkers/night king out of humans?

This is what I thought too.

Thought they explained last season, that the children betrayed one of the first men, turning him in to the Night King.

I'm hoping in the next episode, as john snow and the onion knight trot off back north you see john snow tossing his unused coloured chalks into the see.

g.man wrote:

But to be fair, this being GoT, anything could happen at the end of an episode where they've started to chuck all the big moments ruining any sense of the unexpected.

From some GoT Wiki page:

Before he became a White Walker, the Night King was a First Man that was captured by the Children of the Forest, Leaf among them. Leaf pressed a dragonglass dagger into his chest, causing his eyes to turn blue and turning him into the first of the White Walkers.

Don't be knocking Convenience Cave!

That's a good point.

Littlefinger just reeeeeeally reeeeeeally wants to bang Sansa

Yeah, I'm not feeling this season either. Some nice set pieces, but I feel people are giving it a free pass because:

1. It's always been trash
2. The most recent seasons were super shit, so speed is appreciated.

I disagree with both - the earlier seasons were genuinely interesting and juggled a lot of arcs very successfully.

Also, the sluggish pace of recent seasons isn't an excuse to just warp people everywhere and resolve plot points in seconds. The characters no longer talk like characters - they're just exposition vessels trying to talk their way through contrivances.

Pretty stuff, nice battles, otherwise a massive disappointment. Will still watch, FML.

We're all just here for the closure, and that's fair enough. Moral support is what we do.

U used to b a contender

Same.
Couldnt give two shits about who is doing their travel arrangements.

I don't mind the fast travel in itself. When e.g. the hound and arya spent a whole season travelling through the river lands there was a story attached to it, both characters were developing etc. What's going to be gained by having two or three episodes of Jon and Davos on a boat waiting to get to Dragonstone? Fuck that, at this stage just have him show up. 

The related thing that I do find irritating, and it might just be me, is that you don't really get a sense of what's happening and why. None of it seems to hang together. Those Northern Lords were in the Winterfell hall for three or four episodes running. Was this all after the bastard battle? Do they just come back every few months for meet ups? In the space of time they were all shown in that room, Euron built a fleet of 1000 ships and Dany sailed around the world. How can Euron be everywhere? How can the Lannisters get the gold from Highgarden to Kings Landing before Dany can intercept it. How can Euron go in and out of Kings Landing with his whole fleet when he has to sail right pass dragon stone to get there? 

All of that is nitpicking but, for all his faults, Martin did put a lot of time into thinking these things through, geography and pacing were in-built into the stories before now which gave it more realism and coherence. You didn't have to use your brain when watching it but you could and it wouldn't all fall apart at the first inspection if you did. Now it's just a mess. A glorious, incredibly watchable mess.

poprock wrote:

I’m enjoying it getting frantic as shit becomes serious but I can appreciate that it comes with a drop in quality storytelling. Looks like the writers are struggling without the books to base it on after all.

This essentially. The warning signs were there for this well before now. Most of the stuff from previous series that the tv writers have had to come up with by themselves has been hackneyed tosh. They were far better when they were just slimming down Martin's stuff. 

Whatever. They're telling the story at the pace it needs to be told at, no more meandering character development, and it's still doing some stuff really well.