Yossarian wrote:Actually, fuck a monument, perhaps a nobel peace prize is more fitting?
Well, no - IMHO the above example fits perfectly with what the article was talking about. You kinda misjudged a jokey comment and offended the other person. If it had been a close friend of yours, you probably would have been able to judge much better how the comment/joke would land, but you didn't know them that well and they didn't appreciate it.RedDave2 wrote:... The second time was a conversation with a friend of a friend who was a black american and the issue of appropriation came up. I joked how come white people cant withold the likes of iphones and MS windows as these came from white culture, or the 3 piece suit, or (relevant to me) St Patricks day? It was a bit of a poor joke comment I admit but the patricks day comment is valid but instead of any type of comment back I was simply told I was white and should not comment on appropriation as I dont get it. End conversation. Que awkward silence.
Maybe the above dont fit into this comment in the way I thought, but thats my experience.
djchump wrote:Well, no - IMHO the above example fits perfectly with what the article was talking about. You kinda misjudged a jokey comment and offended the other person. If it had been a close friend of yours, you probably would have been able to judge much better how the comment/joke would land, but you didn't know them that well and they didn't appreciate it.RedDave2 wrote:... The second time was a conversation with a friend of a friend who was a black american and the issue of appropriation came up. I joked how come white people cant withold the likes of iphones and MS windows as these came from white culture, or the 3 piece suit, or (relevant to me) St Patricks day? It was a bit of a poor joke comment I admit but the patricks day comment is valid but instead of any type of comment back I was simply told I was white and should not comment on appropriation as I dont get it. End conversation. Que awkward silence.
Maybe the above dont fit into this comment in the way I thought, but thats my experience.
As a white brit, I really have no concept of how it'd feel to grow up black in america, with all that history of racism and struggles. So, yeah, I wouldn't see it my place to comment. YMMV, obviously, but the article might shed some light on why your joke/comment didn't go down so well.
Well, I'm not gonna be able to shed any light on why that person shut you down like that. You'd have to ask them. Or someone who feels the same way that they do.RedDave2 wrote:It's not the joke not going down well. Its the slam the door shut and that's it I have a problem with. ...
GooberTheHat wrote:On the topic of appropriation, surely culture doesn't suffer by adoption by outsiders, but by oppression by those in power? Surely the adoption by others only strengthens culture?
JonB wrote:I think that article is kind of a nothing really. It’s trying to tap into a current vibe, which I think is often valid, about who is best placed to speak about certain issues, and about white (or male) entitlement, but applies it to a pretty trivial subject. Don’t join in the Kanye pisstaking – OK, whatever.
From my, admittedly honky, view, it's clear that many black people are sick of having to explain their experiences to white people, or having to include white people’s opinions about those experiences, or dealing with #notallwhitepeople arguments. It’s got to get tired feeling like every argument has to be filtered through the dominant white perspective, so why not have a blacks-only conversation where you can just get on with discussing the issue among people who are directly affected by it? But is it necessary or even useful to apply that everywhere?
pantyfire wrote:Is not any discussion on twitter public?
If I used the response of "well you're Black so shut up" to a coloured person when discussing the treatment of migrant Irish in america and Britain would that be acceptable?
Yossarian wrote:Not unless you were talking about sunburn. Saying you’re not Irish so shut up may have been.If I used the response of "well you're Black so shut up" to a coloured person when discussing the treatment of migrant Irish in america and Britain would that be acceptable?
I think the issue arises from the cherry picking from cultures, taking the bits they fancy and not taking the time to understand the what and why.GooberTheHat wrote:On the topic of appropriation, surely culture doesn't suffer by adoption by outsiders, but by oppression by those in power? Surely the adoption by others only strengthens culture?
Lots of things in life are 1-way.RedDave2 wrote:If the phrase doesnt work one way, it shouldnt be allowed go the other.
RedDave2 wrote:Yossarian wrote:Not unless you were talking about sunburn. Saying you’re not Irish so shut up may have been.If I used the response of "well you're Black so shut up" to a coloured person when discussing the treatment of migrant Irish in america and Britain would that be acceptable?
But that wasnt her response guys. She didnt say well you are not black so yadda yadda. If the phrase doesnt work one way, it shouldnt be allowed go the other.
djchump wrote:Lots of things in life are 1-way.RedDave2 wrote:If the phrase doesnt work one way, it shouldnt be allowed go the other.
Liveinadive wrote:I think the issue arises from the cherry picking from cultures, taking the bits they fancy and not taking the time to understand the what and why.GooberTheHat wrote:On the topic of appropriation, surely culture doesn't suffer by adoption by outsiders, but by oppression by those in power? Surely the adoption by others only strengthens culture?
If a white person wanted to convert to Islam that is fine, if a white person decided accessorizing swimwear with Hijabs, not so fine.
Tempy wrote:I found a really good tweet thread or article once on cultural appropriation, the gist was the term is not a net negative term and you can appropriate cultures in non-harmful ways quite easily and quite respectfully but you are still appropriating the culture, which has to be considered. They suggested, for example, games that deal with Native American stuff might want to get actually Native Americans involved as part of their team's and research, instead of relying on second-hand stuff, that way appropriating beliefs and symbols can be done respectfully and informatively in the way someone wearing a feathered headdress to Coachella is not. I found that useful.
GooberTheHat wrote:Liveinadive wrote:I think the issue arises from the cherry picking from cultures, taking the bits they fancy and not taking the time to understand the what and why.GooberTheHat wrote:On the topic of appropriation, surely culture doesn't suffer by adoption by outsiders, but by oppression by those in power? Surely the adoption by others only strengthens culture?
If a white person wanted to convert to Islam that is fine, if a white person decided accessorizing swimwear with Hijabs, not so fine.
Why not, wouldn't that make it less difficult for Muslims to wear Hijabs if they become a social norm?
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