Hippa to da Hoppa, you just don't stoppa - The Bear and Badger

Facewon

Moot_Geeza wrote:

DA BABY thumbs up.

Just finished this, always good

Top 10, maybe top 5 for me. All time

Facewon

Bronson hiding again. Lol

Moot_Geeza

Facewon wrote:

Top 10, maybe top 5 for me. All time

Care to put your money where your mouth is? I do like a good list...

I'm sure we've done this before, but I've forgotten what everyone put.

Moot_Geeza

Mine would look something like:

1. Don't Sweat the Technique - Erik B & Rakim (probably not their best but always seems to be the one I reach for so it has to go at no.1 really - the last three tracks are incredible)
2. The Infamous - Mobb Deep
3. To Pimp a Butterfly - Kendick Lamar
4. Nia - Blackalicious
5. Labor Days - Aesop Rock

Are we counting Endtroducing? I'd have it at no.2 if so.

E1999 Eternal, 2001, Blackroc, R.A.P Music, J5 and Liquid Swords all considered.

Facewon

Ooof. Hip Hop Only?

Hmmmm....

That requires some checking of spreadsheets.

Moot_Geeza

I had a load of scores written out ages ago that would be mostly wrong now. Definitely remember not enjoying RAP Music when it was on all the best of the year lists. Silly me.

Facewon

List is at 49. going well.

Facewon

60, and I haven't worked out what to do with J-Live yet.

Facewon

First pass just putting numbers on gut. I need to think more. Big battle between stuff from 90s that I loved and how it's aged and stuff from last 5 years getting that recency bias love.

Could be wild swings and changes. (And there's numerous stuff missing.)

Rank Artist Album Year
1 Brother Ali All the Beauty in this whole life 2017
2 Jay Z Black Album 2003
3 2Pac Me Against the World 1995
4 Mos Def The New Danger 2004
5 Killer Mike Rap Music 2012
6 GangStarr Moment of Truth 1998
7 Nas Illmatic 1994
8 Wu Tang Clan Enter the 36 Chambers 1994
9 Smoothe Da Hustla Once Upon a time in America 1996
10 Fugees The Score 1997
11 The Roots Game Theory 2006
12 Aesop Rock Skelethon 2012
13 Brother Ali Mourning in America, Dreaming in Color 2012
14 The Game The Documentary 2 2015
15 pharoahe Monch Desire 2007
16 Common One day it'll all make sense 1997
17 Jay Z Reasonable Doubt 1996
18 Snoop Dogg Doggystyle 1993
19 Raekown Only built 4 cuban linx 1995
20 Biggie Ready to Die 1994
21 Mobb Deep The Infamous 1995
21 Ghostface Killah Ironman 1996
22 Redman Muddy Waters 1996
A Tribe Called Quest Midnight Marauders 1993
Naughty by nature 19NaughtyIII 1993
Smif-n-Wesson Dah Shinin 1995
Royal Flush Ghetto Millionare 1997
Heltah Skeltah Magnum Force 1998
Big Punisher Capital Punishment 1998
Eminem Marshal Mathers LP 2000
Aesop Rock Labor Days 2001
Chino XL I Told You So 2001
Outkast SpeakerBoxxx/Love below 2003
Joe Budden Joe Budden 2003
The Roots The Tipping Point 2004
kanye West Late Registration 2005
The Game The Documentary 2005
Sean Price Monkey Barz 2005
Lil Wayne the Carter III 2008
The Roots Undun 2011
El-P Cancer for Cure 2012
Kanye West Yeezus 2013
Run the Jewels Run the Jewels 2013
Eminem Marshal Mathers LP 2 2013
Talib kweli Gravitas 2013
Talib kweli Prisoner of Concious 2013
R A The Rugged Man Legends Never Die 2013
Hilltop Hoods Walking Under Stars 2014
Run the Jewels Run the Jewels 2 2014
pryhme pryhme 2014
Joelistics Blue Volume 2015
Kendrick Lamar To Pimp a butterfly 2015
The Raah Project Take me Elsewhere 2015
Guilty Simpson Detriot's Son 2015
Jay Z 4:44 2017
Pusha T Daytona 2018
Murs A strange journey into the unimaginable 2018
Royce Da 5 9 Book of Ryan 2018
J-Live

Facewon

Just checked OP, remembering that this started as a top 5 MCs thread. Above is consistent with it. Phew.

Moot_Geeza

Heh, a full response. Love it.

Moot_Geeza

14 The Game The Documentary 2
15 pharoahe Monch Desire

Shouts.

Daily Operation is the extent of my Gang Starr collection, think I'll do Moment of Truth today then, if it's on Spotify. And Smoothe Da Hustla as I don't think I've even heard of it.

djchump

dynamiteReady

Random...

poprock

This could be worth a watch.

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It’ll be on the iPlayer soon enough, once broadcast.

Loki/Darren isn’t the best of Scottish hip hop, but he’s a decent enough starting point, a bit of a local celebrity nowadays, and he should know his stuff.

Moot_Geeza

Facewon wrote:

1 Brother Ali All the Beauty in this whole life 2017 2 Jay Z Black Album 2003 3 2Pac Me Against the World 1995 4 Mos Def The New Danger 2004 5 Killer Mike Rap Music 2012 6 GangStarr Moment of Truth 1998 7 Nas Illmatic 1994 8 Wu Tang Clan Enter the 36 Chambers 1994 9 Smoothe Da Hustla Once Upon a time in America 1996 10 Fugees The Score 1997 11 The Roots Game Theory 2006 12 Aesop Rock Skelethon 2012 13 Brother Ali Mourning in America, Dreaming in Color 2012 14 The Game The Documentary 2 2015 15 pharoahe Monch Desire 2007 16 Common One day it'll all make sense 1997 17 Jay Z Reasonable Doubt 1996 18 Snoop Dogg Doggystyle 1993 19 Raekown Only built 4 cuban linx 1995 20 Biggie Ready to Die 1994 21 Mobb Deep The Infamous 1995 21 Ghostface Killah Ironman 1996 22 Redman Muddy Waters

I did Once Upon a Time in America a couple of weeks ago. Was fine but definitely didn't knock me out. Got Moment of Truth on now though and oh my.

Moot_Geeza

Finished, album ordered. T'riffic.

Moot_Geeza

Hit and miss but like him and I'm in for the new one next month.

Takes a few bars to warm up but it's good:

Big hitting lead single:

Facewon

That's the album cover for J-Live's 2014 release, Around the Sun.

He's been so incredibly consistent that I've had trouble picking songs or albums for a sampler. But I've decided this album is the one for now, as it has a good few examples of his MO. Keeping it to one album means if you dig it, you can listen to that album. Saying that if you dig this album, you can go in with confidence to basically ALL his other albums knowing you'll probably like them too.

He's just basically always really good. He goes above that sometimes, but never seens to drop bad stuff.

And occasionally, he really kills a beat, and frequently, he really kills a topic with his lyrics and flows.

Just awesome.

First up, the intro to the album, which is just a straight up good banger.

Live version of Worlds Apart. A vintage J-Live track. He'll take a word or concept and riff off it for entire songs. It's definitely one of his strong sub-genres. See also, I am a Man, How Much is Water and at least 2-3 other classics.

His ability to do this sort of thing but not fall into all the obvious cliches, or if he does use cliches to flip them cleverly, and add caveats and subtlety, all while keeping a killer flow is second to none.

Again, this sort of track is a cliche, but he's self aware enough to nail it and cover all his bases.

And just a general grown folks song that gives me all the feels.

Moot_Geeza

Only three of us in our part of the office today, got this on too loud:

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Still great.

Facewon

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/talib-kweli-removal-from-festival-lineup-is-part-of-anti-palestinian-censorship-trend

Big shout talib.

Signatories make for a hell of a good sueprgroup too.

MattyJ

Oh man I haven't thought about Ugly Duckling in a long time

Facewon

I think I've seen Ugly Duckling twice live, perks of knowing dudes who got support spots.

I can't remember a damn thing, songs, anything. Is one of them white?

dynamiteReady

Seeing as there's an implicit agreement here to support all non scientific information with a preamble, disclaimer, and, where possible, citations (smh...), I should post this link with the following detail:

- I'm not really a Drake fan
- I'd not heard one XXXTentcion joint either
- XXXTentcion killers are already in jail. They confessed
- I barely care

With that in mind... I came across this story about the Drake/Pusha T/XXX beef that was jokingly alluded to during Drake's jackassing during the NBA finals.

But I actually didn't realise just how serious it was. Not sure if I can quite support the murder theory, but if the beef was unfamiliar to you (it definitely was to me), this link is actually quite an interesting 5 minute read.

https://medium.com/@stevenelliotng/proof-that-drake-killed-xxxtentacion-11f6c40eeb93

Brooks

That reads like pure tosh.

Roujin

Drake is a neek so no, he didn't have X killed.

(I did read the article though, but everything is so circumstantial that it really feels like the author is reaching - and listening to too much Drake)

dynamiteReady

Brooks wrote:

That reads like pure tosh.

Some of his conclusions are outright stupid. Agreed

But I'm just surprised that a herb like Drake gets wrapped in a biting claim at all...

He's also probably the first rapper in the history of the art to catch feelings over an errant affair, and an illegitimate child. Not a bad character trait, almost admirably refreshing actually... But in that position (probably the world's best known recording artist), why would you hide that?

I'm going to break off now in the fear of turning this page into TMZ.

Again though, I really did find the two details above fairly interesting. Especially as the story of XXXTentcion's death was so huge last year, but I really had no idea who the fuck he was. I also suppose the last thing an obituary should detail, are conflicts.

Facewon

The bit where the headline said proof, then he immediately went to well not proof... Got me.

Some looooong bows drawn.

Is it racist I just find it implausible because dude is Canadian?

Last line of article can do one too. No it's not "good for hip hop" Ffs.

Given what I've seen of xxx, it seems entirely plausible he'd get shot by some other dingbat.

Dumbass rapper, rapping about absolute shite, sexually assaulting underage girls and generally being an ass, etc. Getting shot an unfortunate possibility.

Facewon

@moot_geeza new big Krit has dropped.

So far very good. Second track is shite boring trap, but the rest has been right in my wheel house. First and third tracks are sped up soul samples and put them right in my arm please.

Lil Wayne guest spot too.

Facewon

https://youtu.be/oQrkYQkUjrU

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