Haha, I literally just posted that on the previous page

Edit: actually I take that back, yours are for a specific month.

retroking1981 wrote:

Ooo I found sales data for the mags...

All sales are average per month in 2013 with the decline from the previous year.

Official Xbox 360 Magazine 35,961 -20.6%
Official Nintendo Magazine 18,743 -26.6%
PC Gamer 19,125 -10.1%
Playstation Official 27,758 -8.1%
Edge 14,351 -14.8%
Games Master 16,660 -10.5%
Games TM 12,619 0.1%

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/uk-magazines-lose-print-sales-average-63-cent-full-abc-breakdown-all-503-titles

Games TM was the only one to increase in sales, be it only 0.1%

They're both the same period, but yours are print specific. Mine include digital versions. Including digital versions, Edge has 1,300 more readers than ONM, which again to me says why not do a frigging digital version rather than close it?

Digital readers:

Edge: 6,134
PC Gamer: 2,929
Official PlayStation: 2,215
Official Xbox: 1,558
GamesMaster: 832

So yeah actually, Gamesmaster isn't long for this world. The weird thing is that since Edge has such vast digital numbers, why have they effectively closed the website?

JonB wrote:

Moot_Geeza wrote:

A company like Nintendo, who (as discussed elsewhere recently) tend to set the bar higher than many for quality, should've bucked tradition and offered their official magazine review copies double early.  How many flagship Nintendo titles end up with a poor Metacritic rating?  Wouldn't have done them any harm to have their games reviewed in the issue before launch, however many weeks that might be, and may have kept the magazine afloat.

Truth is, that's still not a lot of games - just a few a year really with the current Nintendo hardware. Besides, it's perhaps better they don't stay afloat if it's going to be based on questionable over-hyped exclusive reviews.

This is true, I didn't really think that one through. 

The Gamesmaster sales are a good indication that kids aren't really buying mags these days either.  It comes with stickers, fake videogame tattoos or posters (and so on) every month.  I just assumed even though the magazine is poor it was the one all the pre-teens bought.

I remember when the mags use to print the previous months sales on the editorial page. Seem to remember OPM hitting 500k and N64 200k on a regualr basis (could be a bit off there though) and that was with multiple options on the market.

Tempy wrote:

They get all their info from YouTube these days - Yogscast, AngryJoe, TotalBiscuit, PewDiePie, other random vloggers now owned by big parent companies who have identified the money in them thar hills.

Is it just my cynical mind, or is there some huge underage sex scandals going to be coming from this lot at some point, there's murmurings here and there that these youtubers aren't the nicest bunch of people in the world.
The influence these guys have is scary.  I'm also incredibly jealous, a few years ago whilst running my shite podcast, I was years ahead of this lot not thinking for one second it could ever lead to mega fame and riches.

Total was a brilliant mag, as was Super Play.  The unofficial Nintendo from the Gamecube era was good fun too, NGC I think?

26k readers total!?!
Fucking give it up.

darkglobe wrote:

Tempy wrote:

They get all their info from YouTube these days - Yogscast, AngryJoe, TotalBiscuit, PewDiePie, other random vloggers now owned by big parent companies who have identified the money in them thar hills.

Is it just my cynical mind, or is there some huge underage sex scandals going to be coming from this lot at some point, there's murmurings here and there that these youtubers aren't the nicest bunch of people in the world. The influence these guys have is scary.  I'm also incredibly jealous, a few years ago whilst running my shite podcast, I was years ahead of this lot not thinking for one second it could ever lead to mega fame and riches. Total was a brilliant mag, as was Super Play.  The unofficial Nintendo from the Gamecube era was good fun too, NGC I think?

Not your cynical mind at all, accusations are already flying among lower level YouTube stars, whether the bigger players are decent human beings who knows, would make a nice change though.

...but still minuscule.

g.man wrote:

...but still minuscule.

Which wasn't ever the point.

Not much good to the magazine when they're only getting one payment for it though.

If they can prove that get more views and the views are from people making fucktonnes of money then they can be attractive to advertisers.

They probably make money from their region specific articles and cover articles.

Consider the demographic for the Nintendo magazine: zero money kids and no general penetration.

There's probably something in that, but it didn't work like that when we were young.  When Sonic 3 was reviewed I was fully immersed in the anticipation.  By the time I clicked it into my cartridge slot a few months later I'd lathered myself into such a frenzy I was probably seeing babies crawling across ceiling.

Reviewing a game after little Jimmy's pre-order copy has arrived is a sorry state of affairs imo, whatever the reason.

It's true, it's just not as good as the good ole days.

The internet publicity machine is so pervasive and slick now it makes what magazines used to do superfluous. Just putting a new trailer out for your game will see it on every game site and forum within hours with an audience of millions. 

It also makes it virtually impossible for anything to live up to its hype.

There is another reason of course.

In the days of carts games were finished months before they were available for punters to buy.

Now they aren't finished until the day one patch has been installed.