Also it's on xbox

I don't even know what we're listing

Two essential games (Returnal, BG3) and six good/very good ones.

Edit: reply to reg

Syph79 wrote:

I think part of the problem is looking at this through the lens of generations, is that - as big Philly Spencer said recently - the biggest games will be cross platform, and that will include generations too.

Walkabout Mini Golf on the PSVR2 is an absolute reason to invest in a PS5 and a PSVR2, but you can also get it on Quest 2/3, so it doesn't fit.

GT7 is VR2 compatible, but also on PS4 in a less shiny version, so can't be included.

I have lost days of my life playing Fortnite. I can do that at 120fps on PS5, but I could also play is on the PS4 or even Switch.

I absolutely loved the Last of US Part 1, but I could effectively play that on PS3!

I'm not doing down the discussion (it's a cool/fun one), but I think it will get harder and harder over time to name generational exclusive games in the future.

I suppose this is the discussion, generations are going to mean less and less because they're falling into the PC space, and that's a good thing because more and more people can. Access them. Thinking of consoles as generations is a very console way of thinking and whilst there are some bangers, it's not necessarily about where you play them.

It does make my thoughts of "wtf bullshit wizard" harder when Spencer talks about the biggest leap in console generations next gen, although if he can say "no change to strategy" and then change strategy, I suppose take everything with a grain of salt.

That does marry up
On the list

I forgot when the PS5 was released so looked it up, Nov 2020?!  So not much more than 3 years.  I think plenty of life left to get some proper greats out.  But yeah, maybe taking longer than previous generations for reasons people have already mentioned here.

hylian_elf wrote:

I forgot when the PS5 was released so looked it up, Nov 2020?!  So not much more than 3 years.  I think plenty of life left to get some proper greats out.  But yeah, maybe taking longer than previous generations for reasons people have already mentioned here.

This was my expectation. Just seems odd to hear that Sony consider it to be entering the latter stage of its life cycle given that there's only really been one 'OH SHIT WOW PS5 POWER' first party game released so far (Spidey 2).

Foolish perhaps, but I assumed this gen would last longer than the last one because of the slow start.

And as much as I feel there are pitfalls to being flavour of the week, I do enjoy seeing small/AA projects hit it big like Helldivers/Among Us. It may arrive laced with pure jank but I like how that Kingmaker trailer actually made me feel something, outta nowhere.

hylian_elf wrote:

I forgot when the PS5 was released so looked it up, Nov 2020?!  So not much more than 3 years.  I think plenty of life left to get some proper greats out.  But yeah, maybe taking longer than previous generations for reasons people have already mentioned here.

Sony weren’t saying it was a dying console. They were saying that sales growth YOY was probably at its peak and would decline. That’s likely to put the end number somewhere around 100m which is hardly bad but probs not the hope of beating PS4.

I think like Syph alludes to we are perhaps artificially excluding stuff that really is current gen just because it runs officially (although probably like arse) on last gen.

Like a Dragon:IW is one I'm surprised is cross gen this far in. Im sure it would make Reg's list for many here if it wasn't cross gen.

Makes me wonder how the sales numbers are breaking down across the two gens. There is a threshold where its not worth the dev time but that threshold will have been shifted because of how Sony and MS have built the hardware architecture making cross gen development easier/cheaper.

LivDiv wrote:

I think like Syph alludes to we are perhaps artificially excluding stuff that really is current gen just because it runs officially (although probably like arse) on last gen.

Like a Dragon:IW is one I'm surprised is cross gen this far in. Im sure it would make Reg's list for many here if it wasn't cross gen.

Makes me wonder how the sales numbers are breaking down across the two gens. There is a threshold where its not worth the dev time but that threshold will have been shifted because of how Sony and MS have built the hardware architecture making cross gen development easier/cheaper.

LADIW is an all timer

The early PS4 Yakuza games were actually PS3 cross-gen titles, they just didn’t bother localising the PS3 versions.

Dark Soldier wrote:

All this while PC Gaming flourishes right now. Lads. Lads.

Isn't gaming in general flourishing? There's an absolute shit ton of new stuff to play whatever you've got. The top-tier PS5 releases in Feb alone (Ultros, Helldivers, Balatro, FFVII) could see most people through the whole year.

The cross-gen titles are a bit misleading now in terms of thinking about what is current gen, I think. Since consoles are basically PCs, you can usually make a game for the PS5's capabilities then tune it down to work on a PS4/XBone. Most games are made to work on PCs with and without SSDs too, so that's already a consideration for 3rd party developers.

There's not much a PS4 won't run if you're OK with low graphics settings and long loading times. Cyberpunk showed that there are limits to acceptable performance, but even Returnal will run on a fairly low-spec PC, and I imagine it could be adapted to work reasonably well on PS4.

Ethic my D big lad

I don't want to be ethiced.