Avengers End Game **SPOILERS DISCUSSION** - The Bear and Badger

RedDave2

It's not an origin story as such but it is a good way to introduce a character already in the universe.

Diluted Dante

Diluted Dante wrote:

No, because no one needs to be told about that.

This sounded more arsey than I meant.

What I mean by this is that everyone knows the beats of the Spidey origin. Radioactive spider. Uncle Ben. Great power comes great responsibility. Anyone watching a Spider-Man film already knows this because it's just popular culture. You never need to have read a comic to know this. (see also Batman and dead parents).

By assuming you already know this, Homecoming can jump forward and tell a different story.

cockbeard

hylian_elf wrote:

My brother got my kids Spiderman and AntMan 2 on DVD. I’ll be giving the former a watch this weekend as is the only MCU film I’ve not seen. Looking at the blurb at the back... it’s set after Civil War? So there isn’t a Spiderman origin story in the MCU? Interesting.

That just means not yet, also does Myles Spiderman cartoon (bloody brilliant btw) count as "an" origin story

Diluted Dante

Spider-Verse isn't MCU.

cockbeard

Cheers for heads up, I do get confused what's in and what's out, especially when tone is so different in certain movies

hylian_elf

Diluted Dante wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

No, because no one needs to be told about that.

This sounded more arsey than I meant. What I mean by this is that everyone knows the beats of the Spidey origin. Radioactive spider. Uncle Ben. Great power comes great responsibility. Anyone watching a Spider-Man film already knows this because it's just popular culture. You never need to have read a comic to know this. (see also Batman and dead parents). By assuming you already know this, Homecoming can jump forward and tell a different story.

Yeah it did seem a bit arsey, but thanks for clarification. And I get your point. Could’ve just come to the same conclusion myself if I had just thought about it I suppose.

cockbeard

He does mention it to his buddy when they're chatting in the school corridor at one point. Matey boy asks where he can find that spider or something similar

mistercrayon

Spider verse does tell an origin story but at least it’s not Peter Parker. There’s nothing to stop an origin story being interesting - I think though in the case of MCU Spider-Man they wanted two things: 1) a Spider-Man who can genuinely be fairly happy go dopey mostly and 2) have a dad in Stark - both of which are much harder if you show nobheadness and dead uncle in the film.

hylian_elf

Homecoming was ok. Wish I had seen it on release though, would’ve added to a couple of moments in laternfilms. (Hug and zip it adults are talking.)

Probably the best end credits scene!

djchump

They didn’t do the origin again because they’ve already done it twice in recent films. A third would be even more tiresome and the fans wouldn’t have bothered with it.

regmcfly

hylian_elf wrote:

Homecoming was ok. Wish I had seen it on release though, would’ve added to a couple of moments in laternfilms. (Hug and zip it adults are talking.)

Probably the best end credits scene!

It is the absolute best end credits scene, hands down

monkey

Even the most casual of moviegoers must know Spider-man's origin by now. His Dad had sex with a giant spider that killed him afterwards, it then laid an egg and was killed itself by Uncle Ben, seeking to avenge his brother's murder. Ben took the egg home with him and it hatched, the creature burst out and immediately tore off Uncle Ben's head. The creature was then raised as a human by Aunt May who taught it the value of not eating people's heads.

cockbeard

^ love it

Yossarian

I watched this. It was good.

Can someone summarise the last 14 pages for me, please?

Tempy

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Diluted Dante

Yossarian wrote:

I watched this. It was good.

Can someone summarise the last 14 pages for me, please?

So how does time travel work?

Yossarian

Quantum magic.

bad_hair_day

Quantum Jump

davyK

Just back. Splendid

No point trying to rationalise time travel. Just go with it.

Would have liked a hulk v thanos pay back but apart from that really enjoyed it.

That cap marvel lady is lovely.

hylian_elf

hylian_elf wrote:

Also, Random Nameless Rat is the hero for bringing AntMan back which sets it all in motion.

Confirmed by the directors. Rat is the real hero.

Moot_Geeza

Managed to avoid spoilers and have now seen this. Pretty good, the whole time heist idea was weak but they did pretty well with it in fairness. Would've liked more Hulk, again, but it's not like I didn't have fun. Thanks really is a top tier villain, I think that's why I liked Infinity War so much.

A look at an MCU list suggests I've seen 11 films in full (plus a further three I didn't finish). I'll probably give Doctor Strange a go , and the second half of Black Panther, then that'll do me I think. Enjoyed the journey though, it's remarkable how solid they are on the whole.

Scout

monkey wrote:

Falcons beard is the worst thing I’ve ever seen.

Just out of this and monkey nails it on page 1 of the thread.

Paul the sparky

It was atrocious wasn't it? Like someone had shopped it on but slightly in the wrong place.

Scout

Yeah, it was bafflingly bad. Made his face look odd.

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