Isn’t he always? The slut.

Got a spare £7000 for a transparent TV?

The problem i found with my LG BX oled and an LG dolby atmos bar, was audio lag. I returned the bar but i think the audio delay was from the tv audio processing and not the bar

I’ve got the Beam, play speakers and the sub connected to my C9 and they are simply fab.

No noticeable lag too.

I’ve got the Beam sat behind the tv pointing upwards as I couldn’t deal with the speaker eating into the screen real estate. Still sounds great back there.

Djornson wrote:

Especially this guy, absolute hero -https://www.avforums.com/threads/new-my-best-value-tvs-2020-2021-edition.2325951/

His assertion that OLEDs are automatically superior for motion blur shows his lack of understanding. I think a lot of people see what they want to believe (and no wonder given high-end prices), investing in the latest tech as a cure until the next comes along.

There's a long trail of folk saying their 20xx panel has zero lag and blur, always subjectively. But in a world where most of us haven't used a CRT in 15+ years, not good enough is now good enough. Flatscreen lag is much better these days, and colours are still improving. If we were talking about viewing still images there'd be no competition.

Eric wrote:

EvilRedEye wrote:

Does anyone have a Sonos Beam or Arc? Thinking about upgrading to a more upmarket soundbar to match the quality of the LG CX but the LG ones don't seem especially well-reviewed for the money.

Worth looking at the new Bluesound pulse soundbar + too if you're in the market. Seems to have reviewed very well unless youre tied to the Sonos ecosystem of course.

That Bluesound bar is one tall ass bar. Blimey

It's the result of those early slims appealing to most people's sense of attractive futurism (even though Picard came up on boxes and that), and when the viewing experience could've been improved significantly at twice the thickness, the industry were averse to yield difficulties and market perception.

We're almost at the point of affordably achieving motion and latency in the ballpark of CRTs, but only with implementations that sacrifice brightness, and so once again the competition works against some of us. I think there's a big opening for a gaming-focused Chinese microLED in the coming years, either trusting users with a comprehensive service menu, or adding that granularity of control to the regular submenu.

It's not that I dislike Teoh and others in his field, just that because of my feelings that TV tech's been dripfed on purpose to serve commercialism, I see them as commission-driven regional stars at the Dixons. If they praised the features of one TV over most others at the same time as highlighting how much scope there is for further improvement...

It's this ongoing BST EVA pitching at every LG launch. Without hang-on-we-keep-saying-this reflection it's become a noticeable pattern. Digital Foundry had to put their FW900 rave review behind them, elephantinely, or call it a day on that side of their business. But then I'm not in the TV market, so it's never gonna revolve around appealing to outliers like me. Doesn't have to.

Fortunately I'm pretty happy with a TV-sized output from my DLP projector. Has obvious downsides (noise; placement; brightness; bulb life...), but it's currently my best option unless anyone punts out some new CRTs or highly adjustable microLEDs.

The lag issues, certainly on the CX, has gone after firmware updates.

And yes, unless you live in a detached property you don't need/can't use the sub. If I crank up a movie I have to knock down the sub. Luckily I don't have anyone living above me at the moment.

Apparently, one thing having the sub does do is free up more speakers in the Arc for directional sound and dialogue, as the sub is handling all the bass.

Help!

Looking for a 75-85" TV.

Has to be 4k
No input lag
3 HDMI would be nice
A way to put it on a table that's not as wide as the tv (prefer not to wallmount in a rental that's pretty much a cardboard box)

I've seen this TCL 75R635 on tomsguide as a good 4k TV, but was wondering if there are other options?

When in store B didn't want to go over $1000, but on the way home it was a "unless you can convince me otherwise". I'd still like some money left for a ps5 at some point, so the $7000 TV's are a no go.

I really don't know what to look for, I find it pretty boring, but we currently have a Sony and that Android interface makes B quite mad as it's too slow and bloated and has ads etc, so the less of that the better. If it reacts quickly to button presses from the remote that would be nice as well, the Sony always gives us a couple seconds to think before bringing up the "change input" menu.

We don't have any subscription services currently, we're mainly looking at something that size because a project we're working on is gonna use 3 85" screens in a table, and it's impossible to get a sense of scale on the monitors we currently have, so we're gonna use the TV as a test monitor for that. And it would be nice if I can actually see something of the game in FFXIV instead of just HUD.

LED/OLED/QLED doesn't really matter, we looked in store and it all looks fine, little bit of darker fade towards the edges on the LED, some of the QLED (I think, it was a Samsung Q80 maybe) had some weird raster algorithm going in darker areas but nothing that really matters that much from a bit of distance.

We have an ok-ish soundbar, so sound is not too important, I often use headphones while gaming at those are wired.

No ambilight, I showed B the picture from a couple pages back and that's a no go. But it might be that specific room that he had problems with.


edit, o god B's mind changed already, now proper 4K isn't a requirement, as long as it's close enough to it? This is why I hate searching for this

BFI?

(B isn't too bothered by 120, 60 is fine)

Does the Sony have Android though? That will kill b probably

Nina wrote:

BFI? (B isn't too bothered by 120, 60 is fine)

Black frame insertion.

A static image is displayed for each frame, and because of the way our eyes work we see blur as these images instantly overwrite each other during motion. On a CRT these images were brightly flashed and then quickly faded to black, perceptible as flicker at 60Hz, but unnoticeable at higher refresh rates.

So BFI just turns off the display for a certain amount of time every 1/60th to emulate that. And in very simple terms, that helps our eyes to see the images independently (although we perceive them as film), rather than smearing over each other.

The problem with BFI at 60Hz is the perceptible flicker of old, which is really horrible. BFI implementations also vary a lot, with some barely inserting any darkness (because too much obviously counters HDR). My monitor lets me change this duration, as well as whether I want to run it at 60 or 120Hz.

I choose 120 to avoid flicker, which blanks whatever duration I set of each alternate frame. I can get motion blur down to the point where it's contained to a few pixels of movement (names above cars in a race is a good reference), after which I lose too much brightness.

Input lag comes down to being consistently under or over a frame. One frame in a 60fps game is 16.7ms, so there's no difference between a consistent 5 and 15. But nothing's ever that consistent, so 15 might wander up to 20 occasionally and then you've 2 frames of lag. Whereas you've enough headroom with a 10 average to almost always guarantee a frame.

And I think 10 should be the target these days, since modern tech can easily do it (my Sony did 12 years ago). At 120Hz a frame becomes 8.3ms, hence the target there should be 5.

If the TCL had programmable BFI at 120 and halved its input lag, I'd want one. I'd probably want any telly that offered that, especially a microLED.

Anybody have experience with an LG OLED C1 or CX?

Hyde wrote:

Anybody have experience with an LG OLED C1 or CX?

A few of us have the CX on here. What do you want to know?

b0r1s wrote:

Hyde wrote:

Anybody have experience with an LG OLED C1 or CX?

A few of us have the CX on here. What do you want to know?

Digital Foundry seem to rate them but was looking for first-hand experience.
Any issues with them and how is the remote? I am NOT a fan of these new-fangled ones #old-timer