JonB wrote:One thing I will say, I'll never look at a plastic straw the same way again after seeing a video of one being removed with pliers from a turtle's nostril.
GooberTheHat wrote:Would hydroponic multilevel farming (which could be done in cities) have a positive effect on the ecological impact of farming? Or does it use more water? Energy use would also be high, but if its green0 energy that's not such an issue.
Andy wrote:The canteen lady at my work refuses to give me my egg/sausage/bacon softie in just the napkin, she says it has to go in a cardboard box..WorKid wrote:They had to fight to get some places to serve them!
RedDave2 wrote:I've seen it done small scale with rain water and reused water and it works fine. Not sure if it fully scales up to mass consumer levels but maybe that's the problem with our thinking anyway.GooberTheHat wrote:Would hydroponic multilevel farming (which could be done in cities) have a positive effect on the ecological impact of farming? Or does it use more water? Energy use would also be high, but if its green0 energy that's not such an issue.
Kow wrote:I'm pretty sure the meat industry will find a use for the rest of the chicken.
Haha.SpaceGazelle wrote:The porn industry?
Kow wrote:Won't work for me as I hate wings and legs and all that stuff. The only bit of the chicken I'll eat is the breast.
Kow wrote:Nah, I'd prefer to eat only vegetables. I'm not going to eat stuff I don't like. I don't have any great love for chicken in general anyway. Nor do I have time for hacking up chickens either.
Kow wrote:No, I'll eat the pieces I like. The chicken is dead one way or the other and somebody will eat the other bits in some shape or form so I don't see the problem.
Frosty wrote:Most of that grain will be for cattle feed. Growing food for people would take up less space and resources. People always smugly talk about how soya is bad actually as if it justifies not needing to bother examining or changing their own eating habits. I'm vegan and try to avoid palm oil and almonds but its hard and I don't think it makes any difference other than on a personal level. I'm also a shitty hypocrite that loves an avocado. Everything is fucked.Vela wrote:Is it though? The ethical reasons are well known, I have no quarrel there. But environmental claims that vegetarian diet alone is better is not entirely true. Sure, there are less CO2 emissions than cow bums, but what about the ecological impact of monocultures, pesticides, herbicides and land clearing? That has surely driven many species to the brink or beyond of extinction. Flying over hundreds of continuous kilometres of grain crop really drives home how little room is left for native flora and fauna.Blue Swirl wrote:This is for environmental reasons, rather than purely ethical. Reducing the cruelty to animals that my diet causes is a nice bonus after effect to reducing my CO2 footprint, essentially.
RedDave2 wrote:I dont want to sound like im having a go at you but i think you have missed the ethics point of the discussion. We are very lucky at the moment to have great choice that we can point to a piece of an animal (a living creature) and say only that please, i dont care about the rest. Yes, someone will find a use for it but if you make the chooce to threat the whole animal in the same you do the piece you like then the whole animal is valued. Sure, the carcass could be sold dirt cheap to some other buyer but thats why we have battery farms. Chicken is seen as cheap with a large part of the animal seen as disposable. So farmers get less and have to resort to battery farming (I know plain greed is also a part) I pay over twice as much per whole bird for free range chickens for the restaurant then I could get them for if I just bought them pre portioned and from battery farms. The quality is noticeable but on pure ethics I feel it's an important choice.Kow wrote:No, I'll eat the pieces I like. The chicken is dead one way or the other and somebody will eat the other bits in some shape or form so I don't see the problem.
Kow wrote:RedDave2 wrote:I dont want to sound like im having a go at you but i think you have missed the ethics point of the discussion. We are very lucky at the moment to have great choice that we can point to a piece of an animal (a living creature) and say only that please, i dont care about the rest. Yes, someone will find a use for it but if you make the chooce to threat the whole animal in the same you do the piece you like then the whole animal is valued. Sure, the carcass could be sold dirt cheap to some other buyer but thats why we have battery farms. Chicken is seen as cheap with a large part of the animal seen as disposable. So farmers get less and have to resort to battery farming (I know plain greed is also a part) I pay over twice as much per whole bird for free range chickens for the restaurant then I could get them for if I just bought them pre portioned and from battery farms. The quality is noticeable but on pure ethics I feel it's an important choice.Kow wrote:No, I'll eat the pieces I like. The chicken is dead one way or the other and somebody will eat the other bits in some shape or form so I don't see the problem.
I understand the ethics of the discussion. That's why I'll always try to get free range chicken. That's as far as I'm going with it. The other choice is I buy a full chicken and most of it goes in the bin. I don't think that's valuing the animal more.
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