Re the cats and pills thing.
Both of our cats needed many pills over the years.
We got the technique locked down man.
Grab the cat and place it withs its bum facing you on a bed, floor, couch whatever.
Place you thighs either side of it so it cant squirm away.
Press your fingers in both sides of its jaw where the top and bottom jaws meet and force its mouth open.Â
Then quickly throw the tablet as deep into the mouth/throat as you can.
You can also get a pill popper for a couple of quid from the vet, its basically a plastic syringe style affair with little soft jaws at the end that you place the pill into then press the plunger and it fires the pill into the mouth.
Keeps your fingers away from those needle sharp teeth.
If you have a particularly scratchy cat then some people wrap them in towels to stop them clawing you to ribbons.
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So my two cats have obviously found one of the neighbourhood cat's stash o stuff.
Last night one of them bought in some mangy old toy mouse, it was well chewed and manky, I threw it back over the fence but it was back again today.
Now one of the has bought in the dried up carcass of a small bird. The thing was pretty much mummified.
I find the easiest way to get Dave to take pills is to sneak up on him when he is asleep and ram it down his catgob before he has a chance to work out what is going on.
It depends on beliefs i guess.
Humans are omnivours so can survive on a meatless diet.
As canivours our furry friends will die or at least get sick without meat.
If they were in the wild they would kill to eat.
The best compromise I can see is feeding them the best quality food possible, organic, free range etc.
If even that is too much then dont get a carnivorous pet because otherwise you will be effectively performing acts of cruelty on it, which im sure goes against most vegies life choices.
Feeding a pet shitloads of meat just to have the selfish pleasure of having a pet seems to go against any moral argument that vegetarians could make imo. Free-range or no.
Then dont have a pet. Or at least not a carnivorous one.
That is what I meant by it depending on your beliefs.
Have you brought up this point to be particularily abrasive? The pet thread isnt really th thread to be anti-pet.
I'm no more anti-pet then I am vegetarian (I have two cats, and will possibly eat one if drunk enough). I just don't get it, and thought I might be missing some veggie + pet counter-argument.
You are viewing vegetarianism as a black and white concept, which it isn't. It varies massively from meat, fish, dairy, pets etc.Â
The reasoning also varies massively, there are cruelty reasons, environmental or other reasons for example my own Mother who became vegetarian because when I was young there wasn't enough money to buy meat for myself, my brother and my Father.
With me and my brother growing and my Dad working 40 hours a week she made a comprimise.Â
At the time we had a cat who ate canned food, the cat was around before myself or my older brother were born, so the options were give away the cat or my Mum gave up meat, she made a decision for the family.
I'm sure that doesn't cover all vegies with pets but it is a situational example.
You have the ability to choose and then prepare what you eat. You deny a pet that ability by virtue of keeping them. You have a responsibility to feed your pet/child a balanced/nutritious diet. You don't need to impose a life choice on them. Could you not source sustainable food for the pooch? A mate of mine goes to a local chicken factory place and grabs their scraps, he renders all that down for his dogs, with other stuff as well
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This argument has kinda baffled me for a good few years. I know what you're getting at, but the horse has well and tryly bolted when it comes to dogs, in particular, as wild animals. I know there are some wild dogs, natch, but it's not like we could make a law returning all pets to "the wild" tomorrow, is it?
I don't think they've evolved to eat meat. Wild dogs have always been carnivores, afaik. Neither am I sure that your average dog couldn't survive perfectly happily on a nutritionally-balanced veggie diet. I feed my dogs exclusively on dry food, which does contain chicken, but I'm sure the nutrients in the chicken could be found elsewhere if necessary.
The cats were on some biscuit thing for a while, but then it started giving them digestive woes. Now they get fresh chicken and fish and are rather happier.