n0face wrote:Join a union.
You're talking about Working Time Directive, even signing this doesn't mean you have to work the hours just that you agree to going over the 48 hours if you so choose.igorgetmeabrain wrote:No, they cannot enforce overtime (anything over 48hrs/wk) on you if you haven't agreed to it in writing.
Because you are on a salary, not wages.  There is a difference.  A salaried job means you get paid X amount a year to do your job.  If you have to work extra to get your job done, you have to work extra to get your job done.  You are not losing £96.  If you are losing a day it is because you are failing to get enough done, or they are expecting too much.Moto70 wrote:My issue is about working unpaid hours over those stated in my contract, if I work 48 instead of 40 then I have effectively lost either a day with my family or £96, I don't see how any company could expect that if their employees.
Elmlea wrote:I don't understand the obsession with hours.  Surely you're paid salary X to do job Y; and if you happen to be an astonishingly capable guy and can get it done in half the time, bully for you.  If you're a bit low-average, and need longer, well you either work longer or you get a job more suited to your abilities. Even if it's "crunch time," how can they arbitrarily say "work 60 hours this week!"  Surely it's just "get this work done by this day!" and you choose what you need to work? Much more efficient to just tell people to produce the work rather than being so specific about precisely when they need to be in the office.
That assumes the workload given to each person is reasonable in the first place. It's the kind of thinking that's incredibly open to abuse by employers.Elmlea wrote:I don't understand the obsession with hours. Â Surely you're paid salary X to do job Y; and if you happen to be an astonishingly capable guy and can get it done in half the time, bully for you. Â If you're a bit low-average, and need longer, well you either work longer or you get a job more suited to your abilities.
Or you could get a job that you actually enjoy?pantyfire wrote:A job is just that, it's not your life, life is the stuff that goes on outside of a job and involves girlfriends/boyfriends, family, friends, interests and hobbies. Now I admit a job enables you to enjoy/afford those things but that's as far as it goes for me. I realise the case might be different for Elm, he is swooshing about the skies keeping us safe (not sarcasm) but for the other 99% work is a boring monotonous drudge, something you have to do. The less time I spend working and the more I get paid for the hours I actually do, the better, I am not an indentured slave, though you could argue with mortgages etc... we are.
It's not really that simple though is it?igorgetmeabrain wrote:Or you could get a job that you actually enjoy? Work-life balance is important, whatever you do, but no reason why both parts of your life can't be rewarding and fulfilling....a mini rant
I agree with you here, on both paragraphs.Moto70 wrote:I wouldn't dream of criticising those of you that choose to, or a happy to, work for nothing so I find it slightly disrespectful to have it implied that those of us that are given unreasonable deadlines aren't capable enough to do the work. My issue is simple, I am contracted for 40 hours, if you want me for more than that the you pay for it as I can bet my life that if by some miracle something happens to allow me to get the work done in 30 hours I won't be given 10 hours a week off and nor would I expect it.
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