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  • Would it be fair to say that a lot of Eminem's fanbase crave the facepalmy sexism? I try to go with 'it's not what he says but how he says it', which helps me enjoy lyrics (RA is a good example, above) that would leave me shaking my head if I'd read them somewhere instead. It may not be a popular view, but I'm happy enough for the homphobia/misogyny/out-dated world view stuff to exist on records, doesn't mean I agree with any of it.
  • There's dodgy stuff in plenty of music older than rap. What's done is done, of course. I know I'm just too invested in everything else music is to stumbled at unsound lyrics, and that troubles me because I have no problem dismissing work in other media that commits the same failures. Am probably just more sensitive to images, including the written word, than speech.
  • Yeah, any time I want to have a crack at a fluffy religious person for cherry picking or being inconsistent, I do remind myself of the pass I give to a lot of mcs.
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  • Brooks wrote:
    Am probably just more sensitive to images, including the written word, than speech.

    This. Similar to how I give wordplay in song lyrics far more kudos than I would in the form of, say, a poem or a televised gag. Some of my favourite wry or witty lines from songs would make the entire audience groan if Ian Hislop chanced his arm in the HiGNFY studio.

    I'm happy to allow song lyrics to exist in their own little fenced-off area.
  • I wouldn't describe myself as happy about it. Even though I do it to some degree or another depending on the hotness of the track.
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  • Someone needs to explain drake to me.

    I recall some stuff with Jay when he was coming up where I could see the talent. Now I'm just confused. I know I'm old, but I reckon I can understand the popularity of other new school dudes. J Cole is talented enough and has his moments, not my bag but can see why he works. Kendrick is a lyrical monster and his voice is money. Haven't liked his full length, but there's heaps of good stuff amongst the mix tapes.

    Drake just seems like a boring Canadian 808s and heartbreak on repeat.

    Yet he's gangbusters. Huh?
    I'm still great and you still love it.
  • I don't really get Drake either. I think he's basically successful because of the company kept. Would be interested to know how the subscriber base breaks down by gender too nahmsayn.
  • Meanwhile I heard an Action Bronson number for the first time today. I had him down as a probable goofball/novelty rapper. Actually he's a 90s boombap preservationist, which I suppose is a gimmick of its own.

    Sounds so identical to Ghostface it's sort of unsettling.
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    Brooks wrote:
    Meanwhile I heard an Action Bronson number for the first time today. I had him down as a probable goofball/novelty rapper. Actually he's a 90s boombap preservationist, which I suppose is a gimmick of its own. Sounds so identical to Ghostface it's sort of unsettling.

    He's not as artful as Ghostface (Ghost and Raekwon have pretty much defined their own subset of English... It's as cryptic as it is awesome), but the flow... You'll also want to try Joey Badass if you're over there.
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    Kano's new singles are fucking full yes!
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    My mate did the video.
  • Action Bronson has absolutely killed it with his major label debut, 'Mr Wonderful'. Every track is a 10/10 and I'd be prepared to put it in my top 10 albums of all time. I'm actually struggling to understand how it is sooo good!
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  • Brooks wrote:
    Meanwhile I heard an Action Bronson number for the first time today. I had him down as a probable goofball/novelty rapper. Actually he's a 90s boombap preservationist, which I suppose is a gimmick of its own.

    Sounds so identical to Ghostface it's sort of unsettling.
    They've done a couple of tracks together, and when you hear them on the same joint, they really don't, but yeah, that's what I thought when I first heard him. He's tight, yo.
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  • Enjoyed Ghostfaces recent collaboration with Badbadnotgood - the music was stunning but the rapping felt half finished. I appreciate his skill but it's all a bit samey - I can only take him in small doses.
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  • Yeah, bit of a phone in, I reckon. 36 seasons is similar but better musically and he's a bit more on form, worth a go.
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  • New Earl Sweatshirt album is sweet
  • Facewon wrote:
    Someone needs to explain drake to me.

    I recall some stuff with Jay when he was coming up where I could see the talent. Now I'm just confused. I know I'm old, but I reckon I can understand the popularity of other new school dudes. J Cole is talented enough and has his moments, not my bag but can see why he works. Kendrick is a lyrical monster and his voice is money. Haven't liked his full length, but there's heaps of good stuff amongst the mix tapes.

    Drake just seems like a boring Canadian 808s and heartbreak on repeat.

    Yet he's gangbusters. Huh?

    I guess because he went in a different direction subject matter wise to others at the time, talking about his feelings on relationships etc, as well as constructing great rhymes. He didn't pretend to be someone he isn't, was open about shit and didn't have some thug/tough guy persona. It was refreshing to me... Plus I like the mixture of rapping and singing.

    I can see why some don't get it but I like him a lot.
    I'm falling apart to songs about hips and hearts...
  • Thanks to whomever mentioned Action Bronson, listening to Mr Wonderful atm and it's fantastic. The production is right up my street.
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    Thanks to whomever mentioned Action Bronson, listening to Mr Wonderful atm and it's fantastic. The production is right up my street.

    Yeah. I'm all for kopping that (haven't peeped it yet). He's a very good rapper. Doesn't take his lyrics all too serious (like, his gun talk is undoubtedly tongue in cheek), but he knows his flow is on point.

    I wish more were like that.

    Have you seen the video for Easy Rider? Jokes!
    SF4 Rufus fo' real. :}

    You should also try Rare Chandeliers with him and The Alchemist.
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  • +1 for Rare Chandeliers, also Bon Appitite. Saab Stories was a bit take it or leave it for me...
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  • kendrick selling Reebok
    The trouble isn't so much that Lamar is appearing in commercials — it's that he's selling his revolutionary agenda to a shoe company. Corporations have been co-opting "revolutionary" language for years to sell products. It's a brilliant stratagem on the corporations' part, as it uses active language and taps into fundamental youthful drives for rebellion and liberation. But the outcome is selling things — not changing things. As political scholar Thomas Frank wrote in his 1997 book The Conquest of Cool, consuming is "redefined as 'rebellion'" in order to "transform the myriad petty tyrannies of economic life — all the complaints about conformity, oppression, bureaucracy, meaninglessness ... into rationales for consuming."

    Could have gone in the ills thread too.
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  • Hmm. It is a bit odd, but hey money talks. Dilutes the message of his album somewhat.
    I'm falling apart to songs about hips and hearts...
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    kendrick selling Reebok
    The trouble isn't so much that Lamar is appearing in commercials — it's that he's selling his revolutionary agenda to a shoe company. Corporations have been co-opting "revolutionary" language for years to sell products. It's a brilliant stratagem on the corporations' part, as it uses active language and taps into fundamental youthful drives for rebellion and liberation. But the outcome is selling things — not changing things. As political scholar Thomas Frank wrote in his 1997 book The Conquest of Cool, consuming is "redefined as 'rebellion'" in order to "transform the myriad petty tyrannies of economic life — all the complaints about conformity, oppression, bureaucracy, meaninglessness ... into rationales for consuming."
    Could have gone in the ills thread too.

    Remember Blackstar's Levi's deal?

    I think if an artist is found to speak in that fashion, and makes a living from it, then they should live by it.

    Like Chuck D.

    By that standard, I think you could say Blackstar fell undoubtedly short.
    Kendrick though? I didn't know what Patron was, until I started listening to Kenrick...

    Hip hop and commercialism is a motherfucker though, because the target group is as vulnerable as fuck (I can say that, because I was very much in that line of fire. Still am... I've been wanting to buy a new pair of Nike for a long time too - : P ).

    I think berating a rapper for a sportswear deal is a little harsh though. If you really want a target... 










    Personal favourite... It actually has me trying to track down the original...

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  • MattyJ wrote:
    Facewon wrote:
    Someone needs to explain drake to me. I recall some stuff with Jay when he was coming up where I could see the talent. Now I'm just confused. I know I'm old, but I reckon I can understand the popularity of other new school dudes. J Cole is talented enough and has his moments, not my bag but can see why he works. Kendrick is a lyrical monster and his voice is money. Haven't liked his full length, but there's heaps of good stuff amongst the mix tapes. Drake just seems like a boring Canadian 808s and heartbreak on repeat. Yet he's gangbusters. Huh?
    I guess because he went in a different direction subject matter wise to others at the time, talking about his feelings on relationships etc, as well as constructing great rhymes. He didn't pretend to be someone he isn't, was open about shit and didn't have some thug/tough guy persona. It was refreshing to me... Plus I like the mixture of rapping and singing. I can see why some don't get it but I like him a lot.

    Agreed. At first I was kind of annoyed that he had verses on Weeknd tracks but after going back to his first recordings and going along I got to really appreciate his mash up of Rap and R&B. His love for the latter is what I find most appealing and it gives a smooth flavour to his rap stuff that many other folks do these days. I mean listening to J. Cole and Kendrick do the half singy raps and even someone like ASAP Rocky, it makes me thankful that Drake has been so successful. Bring the smoothness why not
    "Given how long it's taken for me to reconcile my nature, I can't figure I'd forgo it on your account."
  • His influence has been pretty noticible on hip-hop in general, but then I guess he is one of the biggest selling. He had his own style, stuck with it, developed it, and made his stamp.
    I'm falling apart to songs about hips and hearts...
  • Those St. Ides promos, I love them.
  • Fair call, DR, although re kendrick, the article does a pretty good job of breaking down why the album is pretty awesome, and also why the specific language used to sell the shoes is a problem. (I was posting from phone so didn't do usual diligence on article title etc.)
    "We can no longer sit idly by while the powers that be tell us how to live, how to think, how to act, all the while writing about so-and-so not caring about us," Lamar says in the commercial. They're solid lines, well-aligned with the message of the record. But in speaking them, Lamar becomes the voice of one of those "powers that be" telling us "how to act" — buy expensive sneakers, that's how you communicate your personality and vision of the world. After a record concerned largely with how he should use his celebrity influence, this seems a wrong turn.

    It's a message antithetical to the one on To Pimp a Butterfly. So many songs on To Pimp a Butterfly are dedicated to downplaying the importance of material goods. On "Wesley's Theory" a satirical and sinister embodiment of Uncle Sam encourages Lamar to buy more material goods because he "deserves it." On "For Sale?" Lucifer himself (embodied by "Lucy") offers Lamar millions in material goods, effectively in exchange for his soul. The record, though, is meant to show that none of those things bring Lamar any sense of fulfillment.

    That the bolded bit exists as a sentence is amazing.
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  • I'd say all the rappers in DR's post are rapping about getting money, buying shit, and brand names. Therefore it goes hand in hand with a commercial, like Jay-Z rapping about whatever brand he's on now.

    Thing with Kendrick is, like the article says, he has just dropped an album about how material stuff doesn't matter and detracts from life's true purpose. Then he sells shoes.
    I'm falling apart to songs about hips and hearts...
  • Swapped some rum for a few MP3 albums on a stick.  Ended up with:

    Lese Majesty - Shabazz Palaces
    Broke With Expensive Taste - Azaelia Banks
    Doris - Earl Sweatshirt
    Forest Hills Drive - J.Cole
    BA.DA.$$ - Joey Bada$$

    All completely new to me, I requested Banks (+ Sleater Kinney & James McMurtry) and got a generous dump.

    Also, my two missing Erik B & Rakim albums arrived yesterday.  Follow the Leader is becoming one of my favourite tracks, not least because my daughter knows it's dancing time when she hears it (and cranes her neck in an attempt to watch the video on TV, even if the cd is playing) so I'll post it.

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